I've read this more than once, but only remember those kind of 'Cornish pastie' flatties that seemed to be worn by both sexes - not that I ever went to Wigan, much less the Twisted Wheel, just the odd Sunday night at a local pub. But, if a brogue, what kind of brogue? They must have been relatively lightweight - mustn't they? (Still some great sounds BTW - I was listening, Sunday afternoon, to Little Anthony And The Imperials; 'Better Use Your Head'). Frankly, the clothes I saw dancers wearing looked pretty awful. Just an opinion. Certainly no tailored blazers.
I should have specified: male clothing. All those sweaty vests. The young ladies had far more going for them. I remember a blonde beauty called Joanne back home. Probably just about getting her bus-pass. My word, though, she was really something in 1975.
I wore my trusty Florsheim pebblegrain longwings to a soul night once. Never again. I find dancing far easier in loafers.
From what I have read and seen, in the early days of northern soul there was a heavy post-mod influence to men's style, but after a short time the fashions of the day plus practicality became the primary influences.
Yes. Flatties seemed to be the only practical option. Worn by both sexes, I think or seem to recall. Anyone on here ever own a pair of Kickers? I bought a pair in the early summer of 1976. Very expensive back then. About £50 or thereabouts - a fortune when your take-home pay was £13 a week.
Where did you buy them, what did you wear them with and why were they so expensive - were they very fashionable?
A topic I know about. I used to dance in Walkover wing tips (long wings as they seem to be called these days). For Northern Soul, where the dancing depends more on slide than bend. the expansive sole of a brogue, once a bit worn in and shiny and aided by talcum powder, provides the perfect medium for 4/4 grooving. Wooden dancefloor, ideally sprung, absolutely essential or that is not a night out. My neurotic post-mod friends and I, in love with the purist Ivy Look, used to attend 100 Club, and other, all-nighters, in the full regalia - Ivy blazers, 60s vintage and modern Brooks, wash and wear suits, madras button downs, Levis, red or argyle socks, Weejuns or wingtips. Weejuns were good for dancing of course, but the wingtip somehow worked better. We looked rather good, people used to stare at us a bit. There were other moddy guys who dabbled a bit in aspects of Ivy but we were uncompromisingly pure Ivy League. We were of course young men at our physical peak and the Rare Soul scene in the 80s was primarily populated by folk in their 20s and 30s. I attended some all-nighters a few years ago. While the music still moved me the fellow attendees lacked physical appeal and they did not look good on the dancefloor. I prefer the all-nighter which plays in my mind where beautiful lithe specimens spin and slide and hook vents, natural shoulders, and heavy GI shoes are all around me...
Ah, Kickers. Yes. I think they were French (then), but why they were so popular I simply cannot remember. They were being sold in a very high-end shop in Sadler Gate (I think John Simons might have done their window dressing at some point, back in the 60s; would that be likely? - only he asked me a couple of times if they were still going), hence the price-tag. They seemed pricey for someone who'd just left school. Don't remember anyone else having a pair. Elms - prat though he is - got that 1975-ish look about right - after all Skinners were probably still knocking about. The hair was long, the music often tacky (Northern Soul excepted), the clothing often rather grubby and certainly ill-fitting. Then punk rock came knocking and everything went into a tailspin.
Lovely stuff from Tworussellstreet; only to be expected as he - unlike I - really does know his onions. Dresswise/shoewise it reminds me of something I once read about clubs in, I think, the south Midlands where it sounded very 'Mod' but rather sussed and dressy (circa 1967?). Chaps I knew who will now be approaching seventy were wearing mohair suits in Derby, listening mostly to Motown and Otis Redding, and I'm blowed if I can remember what might have been a faster dance music after, say, the mid-60s (although only a nipper I do remember The Four Tops just as surely as The Beatles and The Beach Boys). Northern Soul was much discussed at my school (comprehensive by 1972) by 1972/3 and tended to have strong football associations. But chaps like Barry White were also well favoured. It was quite the thing to draw the fist and write 'Keep The Faith' in your jotter or hymn book even if you did spend most of your time listening to Mott The Hoople. I acquired a stepbrother and sister in 1973 who were sort of 'Smooths' and seemed very 'cool' to me in their skinny rib jumpers and baggy yellow flares. They listened to soul but also to - Bachman-Turner Overdrive, was it? - and, I suppose, Bowie and Roxy Music. You have to remember, though, that this was a former mining village in deepest Derbyshire ('Here Be Dragons') at a time when the local black club disallowed entry to anyone wearing dreadlocks.
I assume there is still a thriving Northern Soul scene. All-nighters still?
Edwin Starr lived about thirty minutes drive away from us. He once walked into our local butchers. Cooper, a big soul fan, got the surprise of his life.
Just listening to Freddie Chavez on Look: 'They'll Never Know Why'. A kind of rawer Four Tops?
Followed by Judy Street. My word, 'What' was massive around the dismal area I grew up in circa '75.
Anyone remember 'Falbala'? 'The Flasher' was often played at roller-skating at the YMCA on a Saturday night.
The Derby club scene could be pretty rough around 1975/76. A notorious football hoolie did some DJing so we went along to support him. Later, in the club I worked in doing a bit of glass-collecting etc. the doorman was shot. I believe the assailant was advised to leave town and probably did. The doorman belonged to a hard family. Heavy metal/rock nights were nothing to Northern Soul nights (Fridays, eight till late I suppose). Real downside was lads I'd been at school with trying to scrounge free drinks. I don't think northern clubs had much of a drinking culture. Only drugs. But Derby boys got pissed.
Dana Valery: 'You Don't Know Where Your Interest Lies'. Quite a voice, quite a voice.
Everything went over to jazz-funk around 1978: deerstalkers, plastic sandals, rather dodgy hair.
From a musical perspective both n soul and jazz-funk contain some amazing tunes and some absolute dross. At least with jazz-funk there were far less drug casualties plus, as relates to my personal tastes, far more of a Latin influence. Nonetheless I can happily listen to good examples of either genre.
Although left to my own devices I invariably stick to the Latin (salsa, mambo, Latin jazz and son) and an occasional bit of blues.
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Queen of Fools - a northern soul classic. And one of the worst records ever made.
Ronnie Laws: 'Always There'. Remember liking that even though I was an idiot post-punk rocker looking for something more creative.
Certainly the drugs stayed around. But I didn't overdo it on the punk scene. I'm glad that my younger daughter has no interest. But, then, most young people I know only listen to the kind of dross you hear as background in shopping centres.
Always There is a classic. The Side Effect version is also pretty good.
A Brazilian Love Affair - a beautiful track.
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If I heard Queen of Fools in a shopping centre I'd have to leave.
'Landslide' was also huge around 1975. I think Tony Clarke was killed in a domestic dispute. Kids played these records over and over in their chilly front rooms, practising their moves and hoping not to collide with the china cabinet.
Yvonne Baker - " You Didn't Say a Word "
I had a pair of Kickers, sand coloured from Ravels, usually worn with dungarees or Smith Workwear Jeans, American sweatshirts or early French Connection, before all that FUCK bollocks. I was into the Jazz Funk & Soul scene and some dressed that way, Royalty Southgate, Flicks Dartford etc. This was prior to me discovering Ivy/Preppy. After that I used to turn up at some Jazz Funk nights in OCBD, Weejuns or Cole Haans & 501's getting odd looks from guys in cap sleeve T's, Kung Fu slippers and baggy jeans.
Willie Tee Walking up a One Way Street - one of my favourites. He's done a few other good soul tracks, plus some killer funk as The Gators.
Northern Soul has been a huge part of my life and always worn flat sole, leather derbys when dancing (though I think those dancing days are behind me now). This has often been Loake and in a segue.... they are opening a store in Nottingham Exchange Arcade very soon. Their made in England, Oxblood Derby is very good value still.