Apparently a distinct improvement in quality. This according to someone who worked for them. I wouldn't give them the time of day any more than I would Fred Perry. But I suppose some might. Heavier pique. But still with that bloody awful logo. As naff as Ralphie?
There's at least one polo shirt thread in the archives. I very much doubt whether modern day Lacoste gets a mention, although to be fair some of the ones I see around don't look particularly bad.
I spent most of the last 3 years in polos due to being in a hot climate (where dressing up is frowned on). When I had to replenish my stock I bought Sunspel and Spier and MacKay (the latter made in China or somewhere similar but still pretty decent). Which I mixed with Smedleys and Perrys I bought 15 to 20 years ago and that have yet to fall apart. I also have one Lacoste - NOS from the 70s or 80s.
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Smedley were excellent early on: sea island cotton, thrifted in charity shops (not often). Wouldn't get too excited now but I think Chris_H was a fan and used to drive up to Derbyshire to the factory shop.
They're probably still decent but it may well be impossible to find the good ones at reasonable prices.
Lacoste in Derby appears to have shut up shop. Doesn't surprise me in the least.
I don't have any Lacoste polo shirts but a couple of superb made in France jumpers. As I am retired I don't often wear OCBDs . My everyday polo shirts are the made in England Fred Perry's. I've kept my Smedley shirts for 'best' which means I hardly ever wear them. I'm not as anti logo as I used to be and have a nostalgic attachment to the Fred Perry logo
Me too. And the Perrys I bought around 20 years ago look decent albeit a bit battered.
My days of wearing polyester Perry v neck jumpers are long gone, however.
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In my 40 odd years of experience with Lacoste, the quality has been pretty much even throughout.
I'm a Lacoste man, only in navy and olive green. Good buttons, good shape, well made. Avoid slim fit of course! I also treasure an olive green Ralph polo which JS brought me back from New York in 1987. Made in USA. Heavy and very well made. Back then we all wore our clothes so baggy. This polo shrt is an XL which today I just find too loose. Pre-90s Ralph was very good indeed. I have a tweed Polo suit from the 80s and it is magnificent - Made in USA!
I agree about RL when made in the USA. My old Dad gave me a couple of polo shirts, one navy, the other maroon, he'd brought back from one of his stateside trips. He used to go and see his mate in Hartford about once every three years and blow his cash on cut-outs in New York and odd bits of clothing; sometimes shoes (Timberland; first time I'd seen them, around 1989). I used to wear them with cheap L.L. Bean jeans and those much-loved bucks I had for next to nothing from Russell Street because they'd been in the window and the sun had marked them. Did I worry?
I lived in Canada early 1990s and my local suburban shopping centre had a Ralph L shop. Missus would do the food shopping and I would hang about the RL shop. Still have some of the shirts (made in Canada) but they are on the baggy side. I returned to the UK kitted out in RL.
Some of us on here really like a baggier fit, Robbie. Smedley always seemed a bit too close-fitting although the cotton felt very smooth, even luxurious. I suppose, in fact, it was exactly that. Does anyone think Fred Perry quickly acquired a bad name for themselves? JS once sold me about half a dozen jumpers without any logo that smelled just like my old cub jumpers from around 1967. Re-sold online.
Does anyone remember when Ralph Lauren first appeared in the UK? Presumably it was around London.
I like the baggie fit myself but the shirts are L/XL 1990s sizing and I'm a medium/large. Agree with you on the Smedley sizing. I started buying larger sizing Smedleys when my missus started wearing my tighter jumpers.
The Fred Perry brand did acquire a bad name. Not sure when? My first FP was as a kid in the early 60s. I have a treasured photo of me, my brother, my dad and his workmate all wearing FPs in about 1964. The brand has an emotional attachment for me.
Fred ended up being worn by German boneheads on exchange visits. A pub not a million miles from where I'm sitting now conveniently had a 'mod' shop situated opposite. The lovely young woman who ran it hated them, being well into her soul, but couldn't really refuse to serve them.
I paused outside the Lacoste shop just off the M1 on Saturday afternoon. It looked dull as ditchwater. Might take a run up to the Smedley factory shop in a week or so. I'll have a look round Nottingham - maybe even drop in at Smalley's - next Tuesday. Looking for Made In England Grenfell coats - vintage - maybe the odd shirt or item of knitwear. Must be made in England/Italy/USA/France. Wouldn't mind another pair of tobacco-coloured desert boots (so long as they're not made in China or even Vietnam). Regret now parting with the USA-made maroon and navy RL polo shirts I was given some dozen or so years ago.
There is a Lacoste out of town shop near Nottingham so plenty of polo's by them here. The quality is good and they last for ever without fading. The colours available are good too.
There are many options for polo's as we know.
Although wanting to support local Sunspel, I was disappointed with theirs - they seem to snag on thin air and lose their shape.
I have a variety of Polo's that I wear during the summer months, Lacoste, 80's RL's that are washed out and battered, Smedleys and a light blue Hartford purchased from JS around 30 years ago.
With regards to the Perry, there was a really good Sport Shop in the town where I live (long gone now) but I bought a couple from there, this would've been around 78/79. They were a lot different from the usual FP's that were about. Firstly the colours, all quite bright, secondly they had a longer tail, just like the RL's. The guy who ran the shop told me they were originally for the American market (how he got them I don't know) I bought 1 in a cherise/pink colour and the other in quite a bright Kelly green. Ended up giving them to my Dad, when I got sucked into the the Lacoste phase early 80's.
I've seen a fair amount of Lacoste clothing over the past few weeks (possibly snide in some cases), including in a 'vintage' store close to home. There they are on a par with RL, TH, Champion, Thomas Burberry etc. Prices are quite sensible, though I would not pay £30 for a Fred Perry jumper. Or anything. JS once sold me about half a dozen logoless FP jumpers which sold like hot cakes when I had my little outlet around 2007/8.
The little blue book The Ivy Look - the thoughts of Chairmen Marsh & Gaul and their thinking on the Lacoste Polo was ‘The all cotton Lacoste tennis shirt with its cap sleeves, narrow collar and two button placket front is the Ivy sports shirt of choice’. I don’t know how this conclusion was reached, maybe their polos appear in old photos of Ivy leaguers? Quite likely as the brand has been going since the 1930s. They had it right though, the aesthetics of a navy blue Lacoste polo are somehow just right for me.
Like many, my starting point is to avoid logos, but the Lacoste crocodile, if you look at it closely, is a thing of beauty and it remains discrete and low key on their polo shirts which are still good quality and last if you wash and care for them properly. Despite their best efforts to popularise the brand the price point seems to stop the mass adoption and over selling we’ve seen with RL and lately Fred Perry. I’m open to correction but I don’t think Lacoste is yet on sale in TKMaax, which to me seems to be the sign that a brand is at its nadir. The only thing they make that I’m interested in is their polo shirts which I wear quite a lot at this time of year.
All hail the croc!
Woof - you do know that the punishments are severe for questioning the words in the Little Blue Book so I was relieved to read that you are conforming to Correct-Ivy-Think. Life goes wrong when you attempt to move beyond its advice and insights. We have noted in your file your comments here. Thank you.
I bought a USA-made, all cotton polo recently which I've handed on to my daughter's Ukrainian house-guest, who arrived at Heathrow a few weeks ago with only a couple of suitcases. White rather than navy.
But they have an outlet at the horrifying 'McArthur Glen' retail outlet. I visited that dreadful place once and once only, hovered near the door of the Lacoste shop, then turned and fled, heading to the nearest town for buttermilk and sticky Polish cake (pre-diet!).
Beware, too, of polyester horrors being knocked up in China!
I prefer Cross Creek (thanks to TRS for drawing these old Russell Street favourites to my attention), Peter Geeson and RL minus the pony.
I used to work for Fred Perry, so would never wear anything with that logo attached ever again - they weren’t great employers but wearing it day in day out for 18 months was enough. I’ll follow the little blue rule book and go Lacoste if and when I require a polo shirt. Speaking of the Little Blue book, a thorough scouring of the attic has yet to turn mine up - anyone happen to have a spare copy they’d be willing to part with for a reasonable price - with all due respect to TRS I don’t really fancy paying the 40 odd quid they seem to be going for on ebay!
Talking of polo shirts, I saw a mid-blue sea island cotton John Smedley yesterday at a very reasonable £7.99. Twelve to fifteen years ago I would have eagerly bought it, but not now. I used to like them with the old labels, including the 'Lea Mills' (don't know which decade it was from), but, as Chris_H once said, you've got to be in good condition to look good in sea island cotton. I believe Chris and Jeff Dexter sometimes used to make the trip to Derbyshire in order to visit the Smedley factory shop.
It was doubtless a tip-top name when Ian Strachan was selling it in Richmond. I think it was sold for a while at Russell Street but Jeff Garet seemed slightly indifferent so perhaps someone at the alternative JS had done something to piss off The Guv'Nor. I wouldn't actually know.
As for Fred Perry, that's become too dicey for words during the past twenty five or so years, being worn by everyone from Man At C&A to visiting neo-Nazi boneheads.
I still have the olive Ralphy polo shirt that John Simons brought back from New York for me in 1987. At the time there was only one Ralph Lauren shop in the UK - an intimidatingly haughty and expensive rather bijou place on Bond Street - so getting one at a dollar price was a rare treat. And it's Made in USA of course and solid and indestructible. And in spite of the Blue Book's commands I think the Ralph Polo with the short chunky placket and neat collar is still the best, or it was when Made in USA.