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#1 2021-10-23 05:55:47

A Fine Sadness
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What, Now, Is 'Ivy League'?

I've been giving this some serious thought.  For about the past fifteen years I've been giving this some serious thought. 
Question:  What else would we wear?  What are the alternatives?  I'm not talking Anderson and Sheppard here, much less 'English country clothing' (though it surely comes into the mix for some and did at the Ivy Shop all those years ago.  And what are we to make of contemporary Alan Paine, to be found in shops in country towns as surely as at Chiltern Street?).  I succumbed to a green quilted jacket the other day (not for the first time, either), which I'll probably layer up in during the winter.  'Ivy League'?  Probably not.  Keeping it simple, if I wear a Brooks OCBD, flat-fronted pants and penny loafers, is it really enough?  I saw a button-down shirt from 'Next' yesterday that looked, from a few feet away, like Brooks! 
Then there are some of the current offerings at Chiltern Street, which their website often assures us are kosher.  Those 'heavy' Vetra jackets?  Paraboot?  Truly? 
But I've seen a few hundred USA-made items during the past few days that I simply couldn't wear (not to mention viewing stuff on Ebay). 
Where does balance come into it?  I think it must.  In fact, I think it's essential.  And - more so - practicality.  Price, cut, colour, fabric, style (3/2?  darts?), source.  How to avoid the 'That'll do' mentality touched upon by 2RS. 
Difficult.
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#2 2021-10-23 06:02:58

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Re: What, Now, Is 'Ivy League'?

It was said a few years ago and by such as Flusser, get to know the basics and the style, then make it your own.

As we mature, the idea of a strict uniform is unnecessary and can look wrong. Whether Mod, Peaky Blinders or even Ivy style - too strict an adoption can look like trying too hard and like a costume.

Enjoy it, mix it up, don't worry - who else knows or cares. It is part of why my name here is what it is (unseen), we live, we dress, we do not need validation by others. We share an enjoyment of the style but none of us need to impress or be approved by the other.  There are bigger things to deal with in life, so this is our fun.

 

#3 2021-10-23 06:09:05

A Fine Sadness
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Re: What, Now, Is 'Ivy League'?

I'm glad you're here.  We used to have a poster years ago, Richmond Hill, a wise old bird who didn't post often (also Hill Rise), but what he had to say on Ivy style was brief and to the point (whereas I tend, I know, to ramble).  Possibly one of the older chaps, like Uncle Ian (who apparently is more A&S nowadays) will give us an opinion.

 

#4 2021-10-23 06:23:03

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Re: What, Now, Is 'Ivy League'?

In some ways - I must crave your indulgence - I was probably asking the wrong question here.  It should have been more along the lines of: What Else Would Anyone Consider Wearing?  Maybe somebody who posts In Another Place could help out.  I know they look in from time to time.

 

#5 2021-10-23 06:35:54

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Re: What, Now, Is 'Ivy League'?

You should possibly ask Brideshead, now Mr. Knightley on Styleforum.

He was a Squire Shop customer in the 60s and kept on spending a lot of money on clothes when fashions changed. He had a thread ‘The Look Goes On’ over there that addressed this very topic. Flexible approach.

Never went down the ‘that’ll do’ route or allocated money to other things. Not posted for a while over there.


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#6 2021-10-23 06:43:28

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Re: What, Now, Is 'Ivy League'?

Much appreciated.  Brideshead (John?) was a gem, an absolute gem.  I always looked forward to his postings.  Jesmond, too, who approached his dressing (not unlike Alex Roest perhaps) from quite a different angle to many on here twelve to fifteen years ago (yes?).

 

#7 2021-10-23 14:44:06

colin
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Re: What, Now, Is 'Ivy League'?

To my mind, it's anyone who gets the natural shoulder without looking stodgy. Always was, always will be. Time moves on...

 

#8 2021-10-23 20:03:58

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Re: What, Now, Is 'Ivy League'?

I checked out the Styleforum thread by Brideshead, and also his IG account. He has some very nice shots. It's English, with perhaps a bit of a continental influence and to me it's very well put together. Little to no ivy influence, however. In fact he implies that he is not an ivy fan (probably why he doesn't come here anymore).

The other posters on that thread aren't very good though. (I mean those who post selfies.)


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#9 2021-10-23 20:10:46

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Re: What, Now, Is 'Ivy League'?

As for the question at the beginning of this thread: what is it you are asking exactly? Are we all ivy purists? That's very unlikely, being as many of us are not even in the right country to find the clothes with ease. Nonetheless I personally don't have any interest in wearing clothes that aren't ivy. I came to it too late in life to want to be unfaithful. At the same time, in recent years I've taken ivy as far casual (if not scruffy) as it's possible to go. Not my choice by any means, just various circumstances.

If I ever get back to Europe I will smarten up I'm sure. For a few days at least.


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#10 2021-10-23 21:57:41

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Re: What, Now, Is 'Ivy League'?

Miles Davis, Gerry Mulligan and Bill Evans in the 1970's demonstrate a few options open to those widening their sartorial horizons.

Last edited by slimmm67 (2021-10-23 21:58:30)

 

#11 2021-10-24 00:09:34

A Fine Sadness
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Re: What, Now, Is 'Ivy League'?

Or, in some cases, sartorial horrors. 

The basics can still be acquired, even if they are often but a pale reflection of their former selves.  You don't always need deep pockets, either (although it certainly helps), and Ebay has, it has to be admitted, has been a godsend.  I picked up a wool Dhobi overcoat yesterday for £30, including postage.  As KingstonIan says elsewhere, bargains can still be had.

 

#12 2021-10-24 00:58:25

A Fine Sadness
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Re: What, Now, Is 'Ivy League'?

Colin, you're so right.  And an unfused, 'cascading' collar?  Unfussy loafers from Dexter?  That perfect Shetland (i.e. not J.Press) in some laid-back colour?  Dark, US-import 501s?

 

#13 2021-10-24 04:25:17

colin
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Re: What, Now, Is 'Ivy League'?

I would say the only non-negotiables, as it were, are natural shoulder and decent shirt collar, and probably also decent quality materials. After that the ivy canon can, and should, be stretched and subverted in lots of different ways. Workwear, surf, continental, etc sure why not!?

Anything that looks like its a period retro look or posh British upper middle class is a firm no.

 

#14 2021-10-24 04:27:46

A Fine Sadness
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Re: What, Now, Is 'Ivy League'?

Nothing to quibble over there.

 

#15 2021-10-24 04:34:12

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Re: What, Now, Is 'Ivy League'?

Some may disagree but, roaming around a few Saturdays ago, with a fresh short haircut, wearing a Gant Nordic twill with chinos and Florsheim smooths, I imagined I looked 'almost American'.  My one regret here is that I can no longer wear a white FOTL t-shirt underneath the shirt.

 

#16 2021-10-24 23:18:47

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Re: What, Now, Is 'Ivy League'?

Brideshead/Mr Knightley, as I understand it, still visits the JS  shop on occasion and although he dresses very English/Continental in work and formal situations when he dresses casual some of the ivy influences still can be seen.


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