For example, a Banana Republic Chinese-made polo neck sweater at £50 (Ebay price: fixed). Okay, so I've long had a bee in my bonnet about China (and I know some on here couldn't care less - I just hope they're not the ones who get shirty about the market economy and neoliberalism but how much longer does this have to go on? Should all our weight be thrown behind Community Clothing? Woofboxer has said elsewhere that he explores Ebay (and possibly/probably elsewhere) for top-quality English names such as Grenfell. Fair play to him. Might we not profitably follow his example? In other words - ditch the likes of Uniqlo (not that I've ever bought anything) and even rethink our stance on, say, Keydge?
I will cough to using Uniqlo for socks and polo shirts (usually worn in the garden etc), but that's it, I should look for alternatives like old US made RL polos and buy my socks from Community Clothing. I share AFS's dislike of Chinese goods, it's very difficult to avoid their stuff in your house particularly given our reliance on tech equipment. Less well off people have to buy what they can afford, they can't afford to insist on products from the acceptable list of countries. Searching out good quality used clobber on UK eBay is a more environmentally responsible choice and maybe keeps the money in this country.
^ Nothing to disagree with there. It's a thorny, knotty problem and not exactly new. After all, didn't many of us, as wee boys, play with plastic soldiers from Hong Kong? Our elders and betters told us they were cheap rubbish but, after the demise of lead soldiers, nothing much better was on offer.
What causes me a good deal of wry amusement is the Ebay seller who says 'Made In The USA' then produces a wonderful photograph of a label that clearly states 'Made In China' (or sometimes elsewhere). I assure you I'm not making this up. Chancers R Us or what? But I was not impressed, towards the end at Russell Street, to be offered a £50 ('one of our cheaper shirts') half-sleeve, Chinese-made Haggar by Kenny Lovegrove. I can buy Haggar for a fiver down at Sue Ryder. Indeed, on that very day, mooching around Camden Town, I alighted upon some perfectly nice cotton shirts (T.M.Lewin, I think) for no more than what I'd pay in any of the ratty old ex-mining suburbs around here. I wouldn't wet my pants over Lewin now but they seemed, at the time, to be a deal more acceptable than Haggar (who used to make some of the crappiest chinos imaginable).
The economics of it blow my mind. How has it come to be that retailers have to sell a British made shirt for £120, yet you can buy one that's travelled half way round the world for £3.99? Nobody answer. I wont make it through.
I actually don't mind Chinese tat being sold for pennies as long as everyone's aware of what it is. And surely even the most knuckle dragging Primark shopper has half an idea?
What annoys me is Chinese tat being nicely wrapped up in heritage branding. Inspired by Italy. Designed in Britain. That's just plain underhand.
It's near on impossible to stick by your principles though. I'm not about to insist my kid wears Walsh made in England trainers.
Of course older brands would point out that they'd go out of business if they didn't outsource. Sorry, but so be it. To me that smacks of the same attitude of businesses that party it up through the good times and stick their hands out for a bailout when it gets rough.
Community Clothing seem to have got it very right without thinking or acting too far out the box.
Spendthrift-I sense a seachange in the air. CC may well be ahead of the pack in bringing manufacturing back home.
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It's tough situation to right that has been created. I mean the average person has a hard time paying $300 for shoes and $150 OCBDs shirts made in the USA. Buying vintage helps keep demand for new goods down and is good for the environment, but doesnt do much to shift the manufacturing issue.
Greed takes over and with greed goes a lack of care, a shrug of indifference, a complacent smirk on the face of the money-grubber. Nothing new about that. It's the way of the world - unfortunately. We were once assured greed is good. That possibly derived from a deliberate misreading of Adam Smith. But try depriving the young (and the old) of their digital devices and desires...