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#1 2009-03-11 16:33:32

Decline & Fall
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Those youthful mods

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"I like bars just after they open in the evening. When the air inside is still cool and clean and everything is shiny. The first quiet drink of the evening in a quiet bar-that's wonderful."
— Raymond Chandler

 

#2 2009-03-11 16:42:21

Tony Ventresca
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#3 2009-03-12 04:26:34

chetmiles
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'Clean living under difficult circumstances'.

My guess is there are few UK modernists who are not fascinated by that aspect of it: 'mod' before the parka and the beach fight.  Step back into the late 50s, into Soho, to scooters and Vince, to 'Absolute Beginners' and Italian coffee.  Then move forward to 61-62 and north London:  Feld, Sugar and co.  Were these the 'peacocks' who later trod the hippy trail?  Or did they find refuge in make-up and Ronnie Scotts', thus preserving their exclusivity? 


Was Ivy at the edges?  These guys were more likely to have been shopping around Carnaby Street than at Austins, weren't they?  Or did they go cherry-picking, as we do today?  Mention John Stephens name to John Simons, though, and you'll get a certain look.  My guess is these boys were more into rare soul and R&B than bebop.

 

#4 2009-03-12 08:57:18

Get Smart
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my fave line is "Although Carnaby Street attracts homosexuals....."

damn gays!

I like the almost-winklepickers the fella at top is wearing

 

#5 2009-03-12 09:29:24

chetmiles
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'Vince' certainly did.  Bill Green, who ran it, was gay; so were a lot of proto-mods: gay, sometimes Jewish peacocks - style-setters in other words.

 

#6 2009-03-12 13:01:28

Kingstonian
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So the Wembley lad had eight pairs of shoes and washed his hair every other day. Hardly noteworthy these days is it ?

In context, all consumer durables like tellies, fridges etc. were a big deal in those days. You got a fortnight's holiday every year and very few people went abroad.

 

#7 2009-03-12 14:03:56

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"I like bars just after they open in the evening. When the air inside is still cool and clean and everything is shiny. The first quiet drink of the evening in a quiet bar-that's wonderful."
— Raymond Chandler

 

#8 2009-03-12 14:26:32

chetmiles
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British kids often lived in very poor housing - many still do.  The invention of the 'teenager' involved mainly lads cleaning, pressing and polishing shoes and clothing that they often had to work hard for.  This, as far as I know, was uniquely English.  I don't think drink played a big part until later - a Coca-Cola was more the norm - but pills seem to have been part of the scene from early on.  I think it was Pete Meaden who coined that phrase about 'clean living' and even now, though the Ivy look might involve a bit of crumpling, the hair is short and clean, the face razored, the underarm stuff and talc and Extract of Limes applied.  English working class tradition, right, Brideshead?  Right, Kingstonian?  The original skinheads were smart, too.

 

#9 2009-03-12 16:38:55

Kingstonian
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It did feel to an older generation like MacMillan said 'you never had it so good'. No worries about unemployment, free NHS, free education, things getting a bit better every year. People rented TVs partly because they needed repair more often and partly because they were comparatively expensive.Central heating was not widespread either. Baths standard, showers not. Wembley housing was Metroland, reasonable semis -but not palatial. Not Giant vibrator sink-drama grimy terraces.

I can remember scooter mods but would not have been aware of the first incarnation. Dressing up to go out was a social norm. Hippy had more appeal to the middle class kids. No idea whether they drank alcohol. Smoking was definitely more widespread. Cinema and Wimpey bars maybe for younger adults ?

 

#10 2009-03-13 05:17:08

chetmiles
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For my generation, growing up in the 60s, America meant glamour in a way that is now difficult to define, whether it was discovering two tins of warm Pepsi on a shopkeepers shelf or a newsagent with a spinner full of DC and Marvel comics.  Reading 40s editions of 'Life' magazine now is to realise just how far in advance of ours American material culture was - Florida orange juice, no less!  But 'mod' was a mix and a mish-mash: still a nod to Saville Row, an eager curiosity about New York and California, but also about Paris and Rome.  London and other cities had been bombed to blazes: style arose like a phoenix from the ashes and its theme tune was black, black, black: jazz, blues, R&B, the classier soul - Arthur Alexander for instance - and a black GI was probably the coolest dude imaginable... 

We in the Midlands knew nothing of the Soho connection, of course - knowledge from via football and disco attendance; and just observing.  We were as cut off from the capital - unless our parents deigned to take us on a day-trip - as we were from the moon.  That's why a show like 'Budgie' had such an impact:  Adam Faith, the birds, Charlie Endell, Soho.  The cool kids were already discovering Northern Soul and wearing Sta-Prest and blazers - not the baggy trousers, tight jumpers and tashes of circa '74/5. 

Can't help, thinking, though, looking at the article that there might have been a Beatles/Stones influence at work: the beginnings of opportunism: like a dodgy group calling itself 'The Ivy League'. 

Ironic, too, how hippydom managed to get a grip on some early skinheads - or were they taking the piss?  Longer hair probably attracted more teenyboppers, though, so maybe there was method in their madness!

 

#11 2009-03-13 06:30:40

Prof Kelp
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#12 2009-03-13 06:50:02

chetmiles
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I hope you invested wisely in vintage Spider Man!

 

#13 2009-03-13 09:15:27

Get Smart
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#14 2009-03-13 10:14:21

Prof Kelp
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http://thetownoutside.tumblr.com

 

#15 2009-03-14 05:06:17

Kingstonian
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#16 2009-03-19 02:27:44

Suitedbooted2000
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#17 2009-03-19 10:17:43

Prof Kelp
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/\ Good call Suitedbooted. I think if you do love something, then even if you turn your back on it for a while the love still lingers in the background waiting to re-emerge. So you're right it does stay with you forever, but I guess only if you believed in the first place.


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#18 2009-03-19 11:58:55

Brideshead
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Sorry about my late entry into the debate!  Too busy working to buy that 9th pair of shoes!!

Great stuff and will respond further tomorrow.  Chelmsford in the late 60s - ahh, it does stay with you for ever.  I am sitting in Chelmsford as I type this.  I was explaining to a client just now that my wife bought me the Armani cufflinks I am wearing as a present and I then proceded to build an outfit around them.  You never lose it, mate!

cheers from Chelmsford

 

#19 2009-03-19 12:04:10

Brideshead
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I think Get Smart hit the nail on the head with the type of people described in the piece.  For them mod was a passing thing and one that may not have embraced Ivy influences. 

I think that coming together of styles was a bit later and (I would say this wouldn't I) it's that particular generation of mods/skins/suedeheads that went on to keep the faith.

 

#20 2009-03-23 15:57:45

Suitedbooted2000
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#21 2009-03-24 09:24:31

Suitedbooted2000
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#22 2009-03-24 10:49:16

Suitedbooted2000
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#23 2009-03-24 12:22:35

Taylor McIntyre
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Re: Those youthful mods

Lovely REAL pics.

I often snipe at the Trad 'curriculum', but some Mods often have their own 'curriculum' too - And in both cases it gets busted wide open when you go back to primary sources and check the pics out.

Look at the lovely mess here! Different influences, different styles being played with.

Top!

 

#24 2009-03-24 12:44:21

michael-j
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missed those on MC, saw the first one posted, then must have never gone back to the thread.
whole lot are up here: http://www.modculture.co.uk/gallery2/60s/caxton/

 

#25 2009-03-26 12:01:32

Suitedbooted2000
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Re: Those youthful mods

some clips for the Mod scene now and then

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv5yxx9LZgo&feature=related
I 'm One (Trust in Mod )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG_PxWqH0oY&feature=related
The Untouchables and the Los Angeles Mod Scene

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGJeapML2Ow&feature=related
The Right Track, Rome (not very clear)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7199tfzlDDU&feature=related
2006 Glasgow Mod Weekender - Sunday Night

 

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