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#1 2009-05-20 09:43:45
- Decline & Fall
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in case you missed it -- reshooting Take Ivy=ballsy?
The new issue of h(y)r collective features the following:
* A piece on the Gitman Bros.' ocbd
* An essay on Red Wing Boots
* The aforementioned re-shoot of Take Ivy
* An article by JP on RLP
http://www.hyrcollective.com/site.html
The articles are really great. I think you guys will like the piece on Gitman Bros. It features a Q&A w/ the vice-prez.
"I like bars just after they open in the evening. When the air inside is still cool and clean and everything is shiny. The first quiet drink of the evening in a quiet bar-that's wonderful."
— Raymond Chandler
#2 2009-05-20 09:51:06
- The Beatnik
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Re: in case you missed it -- reshooting Take Ivy=ballsy?
Thanks for turning me onto this Decline. The Red Wings piece is very good and the site is really nicely designed as well.
#3 2009-05-20 10:05:27
- devin
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Re: in case you missed it -- reshooting Take Ivy=ballsy?
I would take issue with the Take Ivy article and, more so, with the Ralph Lauren article.
"Take Ivy is one of the most epic style references in the world."
That line just smacks of lazy writing.
In the RL article, in one breath they harpoon bloggers for making it too easy and giving it all away while not doing anything to bolster American manufacturing (a variety BMWs are made in South Carolina). They then pat themselves on the back for being big kids and recognizing that Ralph Lauren is a global, money making, fashion machine and shouldn't be held to the quixotic demand of Made in the U.S.A., that the ship is too big to turn, but dangit, we still owe something to those factories! Factories are just materials and machines.
They nail TinTin for posting Take Ivy: ". . .what was achieved by that? What about people's inroads and hard work that is now given to the whole world?" What is this hard work and sweat equity they talk about? TinTin posted some pictures that everyone wanted to see, and we're richer for it.
A fun mag, but the tone reeks of a false ownership.
#4 2009-05-20 10:19:41
- The Look
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Re: in case you missed it -- reshooting Take Ivy=ballsy?
"There are a lot of people out there currently touting, blogging about, designing and even leading the American/Ivy front and a lot of it is bullshit, because a few short years ago they were wearing Prada shoes - not Aldens."
Got a good laugh on that one. I think we all know at whom that's directed.
I'd really like to get a hold of one of their Gitman button-downs.
#5 2009-05-20 10:25:24
- adam!
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Re: in case you missed it -- reshooting Take Ivy=ballsy?
i really like that!
#6 2009-05-20 10:27:00
- Patrick
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Re: in case you missed it -- reshooting Take Ivy=ballsy?
The Take Ivy copy is awful.
The author doesn't bother to define what "Take Ivy" is and spells "intentions" wrong, for starters.
Otter : Take it easy, I'm pre-law.
Boon : I thought you were pre-med.
Otter : What's the difference?
#7 2009-05-20 10:30:26
- The Beatnik
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Re: in case you missed it -- reshooting Take Ivy=ballsy?
Don't let them bother you Decline, I liked it. It was well laid out, nice typography and photography and what's a bit of bad spelling amongst friends. Spelling? that's rich coming from a journo Patrick!
#8 2009-05-20 10:33:01
- Patrick
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Re: in case you missed it -- reshooting Take Ivy=ballsy?
They're pretentious enough to expend a little effort on some rudimentary copy editing. Rather discordant next to the nice layout and photography.
Otter : Take it easy, I'm pre-law.
Boon : I thought you were pre-med.
Otter : What's the difference?
#9 2009-05-20 10:47:57
- Klook
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Re: in case you missed it -- reshooting Take Ivy=ballsy?
This is vacuous garbage. Inane copy, poorly written, lazily edited, horribly pretentious in every way. Odious.
Edit: Not intended as a dig at D&F whose links are leads are much appreciated.
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#10 2009-05-21 02:07:24
- Horace
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Re: in case you missed it -- reshooting Take Ivy=ballsy?
""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.
#11 2009-05-21 02:19:53
- The Beatnik
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Re: in case you missed it -- reshooting Take Ivy=ballsy?
Standards? I work in advertising... What are these standards of which you speak?
#12 2009-05-21 02:43:22
- 1966
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Re: in case you missed it -- reshooting Take Ivy=ballsy?
This is the fashion end of things isn't it. They skim the surface of what's readily available, but they don't seem to be diggers. I don't hate what I'm seeing though, I'm just a grumpy fourtysomething with mixed emotions towards these happy-go-lucky guys in their early 20s. The shallow fuckers.
#13 2009-05-21 02:47:12
- Taylor McIntyre
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Re: in case you missed it -- reshooting Take Ivy=ballsy?
Ahhhhh - But the danger is that they are read and believed by the uninformed and their version of events hardens into Wiki 'fact'.
Fight the good fight!
#14 2009-05-21 02:54:17
- 1966
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Re: in case you missed it -- reshooting Take Ivy=ballsy?
^ Can't stop that from happening can we. How many times do I have to remind you the world can't be saved? 
These guys are OK they just seem to lack depth.
#15 2009-05-21 02:58:17
- Alex Roest
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Re: in case you missed it -- reshooting Take Ivy=ballsy?
Thanks D&F, enjoying this and will add to faves...
#17 2009-05-21 03:28:53
- 1966
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Re: in case you missed it -- reshooting Take Ivy=ballsy?
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#18 2009-05-21 03:42:00
- The Beatnik
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Re: in case you missed it -- reshooting Take Ivy=ballsy?
Aren't we in a little danger of being too precious with the things we hold dear here? Surely the more young folk who discover great black music through whatever source has got to be worthwhile. And if they pick up a few style tips along the way then it's all good.
#20 2009-05-21 03:54:57
- 1966
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Re: in case you missed it -- reshooting Take Ivy=ballsy?
^ Yeah.
They took the 'right' entry, but you can't base a magazine on "I dunno man, I just love this" alone.
#21 2009-05-21 04:12:07
- Alex Roest
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Re: in case you missed it -- reshooting Take Ivy=ballsy?
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#22 2009-05-21 04:23:57
- 1966
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Re: in case you missed it -- reshooting Take Ivy=ballsy?
Alright - replace "magazine" with "column" in my quote. Not trying to be negative here A. - I like these guys, but some of those columns are downright superficial.
#23 2009-05-21 04:27:59
- Taylor McIntyre
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Re: in case you missed it -- reshooting Take Ivy=ballsy?
I'm always interested in seeing who's doing what & at what level they are doing it so my thanks go to D&F also.
I see no harm in fitting these things into a hierarchy though. Sometimes it might make us sound negative, but all we are really doing is trying to find a place for everything.
#24 2009-05-21 04:31:15
- The Beatnik
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Re: in case you missed it -- reshooting Take Ivy=ballsy?
Sorry, i'm stating the bleedin' obvious here but... This is only a magazine, a piece of light entertainment. It's not manual for living your life. Some kids will dig the Ivy stuff and investigate more and maybe end up buying Cal Tjader albums.
Next edition may be focus on rockabilly or death metal and that will turn them on. That's what style magazines do, throw stuff at you and what you catch is up to you. Good luck to these guys for getting this together. Young, slim, successful pack of bastards!
#25 2009-05-21 04:34:03
- 1966
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Re: in case you missed it -- reshooting Take Ivy=ballsy?
Critique is often confused with negativity isn't it. Not sure about a hierarchy Russell, it implies this is "better" than that. It's just differences. Long live differences.