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#27 2021-11-01 00:47:12
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Re: From When Ivy Was Anglo -
Bump for Jimmy’s minet talk
“No Room For Squares”
”All political art is bad – all good art is political.”
"Would there be any freedom of press or speech if one must reduce his vocabulary to vapid innocuous euphemisms?"
#28 2021-11-01 02:43:02
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Re: From When Ivy Was Anglo -
Should surely have been - at least partly - 'When Ivy Was French'. Cross-pollination again, embraced by some, quite likely anathema to others.
Anyone noticed the similarity between Cable Car/Kirk knitwear and that being produced by M&S in the same period? That strikes me as 'Ivy' being 'Anglo' - just as certainly as chaps on their eastern seaboard wearing Barbour jackets. An English tweed jacket at Harvard? Why not indeed? English brogues? All that borrowing/stealing/observing/pondering - it goes on and on (or, at least, it should if we don't want to get stuck in a rut).
#29 2021-11-01 02:54:57
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Re: From When Ivy Was Anglo -
Alan Paine, as we all know, pushed its way heavily into the American market. I still have a cashmere v-neck that might well be fifty-plus years old: exported to the US for Anglo-loving Ivy League types, I guess (but don't truly know). The long-term effect of that particular association has not been especially good, with the brand still being pushed as a kind of 'Ivy staple'. The quality, however, has certainly deteriorated - and they seem a little coy about where they're now being manufactured. Still, I don't believe the name is quite as shitty as, say, Baracuta.