Thin Repp: Thanks for the RFK pics! Like JFK, he wore Chipp.

I suspect everyone on this board has no memory of 1968. But those photos evoke an era that is so close and still so deeply felt, I can still touch it. I remember almost every moment, at least I think I do.

His teeth are clearly aspiring to be English!

Last edited by Staceyboy (2009-09-09 09:33:52)

'Warm beer, lousy food and bad teeth' The yanks used to say in summing up Britain...

Some pubs keep their beer in a special cool room on the ground floor, a few keep their beer behind the bar - preferably nowadays with some modest external cooling system. Real ale is served at cellar temperature 12-14 C (54-57 F), which is somewhat cooler than room temperature. If real ale is too warm it is not appetizing, it loses its natural conditioning (the liveliness of the beer due to the dissolved carbon dioxide).

On the other hand if the beer is too cold it will kill off the subtle flavour. Unlike keg beer which has to be chilled, real ale has flavours you need to taste! Real ale is not 'warm', 'cloudy' or 'flat'. Real ale is served below room temperature, like red wine; served properly it should be entirely clear; if it kept and served properly it will have enough natural life to be appetizing.

http://www.camra.org.uk/page.aspx?o=180651

Beers in The Lion were mostly gravity dispense from the cask. Should have been cooler.

CHums,

I'm late coming back to the ol' soiree once again, but what else is new?

Ol' Meyer really limited himself by defining the conservative as one who wishes
to preserve tradition.  And he couldn't have chosen three authors more unwilling
to commit to such a program than Eddy Burke, DeToke, and the ol' Cham.

I haven't read these guys in years, and Ol' Meyer doesn't offer specifics, but
Burke was Irish, which we shouldn't forget.  Like Swift, I can see how someone would
want to label him a conservative, but in many respects they were both intellectually radical.
Early Burke with his essay on aesthetics, (the Sublime and Beautiful) is akin to Kant.  Should
be read next to it.  He wrote the ol songbook for the whole Romantic program.  His Revolution in France?
It's ambiguous.  I bet we could flip every other page and find something that ol' Meyer
would be abashed to call conservative.  I'll give Meyer deTocqueville, but he's got a very
ambiguous relation to a sort of conservation of the social and economic order in ol' Europe
vs. a sort "democratic vistas" (looking forward to that ol' gay blade Walter Whitman) of America.
Now Johnson, is the real corker.  There are really two Johnsons -- the one everyone reads in
Boswell (his biographer) - the drink soaked, beef-eating, blustering High-Church Englishman, and then there's
the Johnson who wrote on the Falkland Islands, on the American Revolution, the one who
wrote the legal lectures that in a profound way can be argued to have influenced Black's Law.
Here's a man who in almost every way (even I'd argue in his religious views, maybe especially in
his religious views) assaulted the institutions of England.  How much of that he wanted to conserve
is I think up for grabs.   One wonders what of Johnson Meyer has actually read.

So throw around names, in the same way that a free marketer would throw around the ol' canard
of Adam Smith, but I don't buy it.  If Meyer's views of "conservativism" are informed by these
authors, one has to wonder what it all means.


As for Jazz being "conservative" I suppose you could argue it as such.  Who knows.
Maybe you could try to argue that it's based upon primitive tribal rhythm.  I've certainly
heard and read as much, but I don't think that'll do either.


Now back to our discussion of the ol' Sainted Pa's of this world.....

Toodle pip,

H.