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#2 2010-07-08 21:43:48
- Marc Grayson
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Re: Proof Style Forum unfairly backs Manton right or wrong
He's such a favorite of the tailoring trade that one went so far as to relocate to get away from him. Manslaughter was plan B.
"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not." Oscar Wilde
#3 2010-07-08 21:53:26
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#4 2010-07-08 22:01:31
- Marc Grayson
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"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not." Oscar Wilde
#5 2010-07-08 23:37:58
- The_Shooman
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#6 2010-07-09 02:12:15
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Back with a vengeance.
#7 2010-07-09 11:42:20
- Grossgrain Silk
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Re: Proof Style Forum unfairly backs Manton right or wrong
You mistake the function of SF. It is not to discuss clothing. It is to make the 'moderators' and their mates feel good.
Once this is understood everything is clear. If someone who is a professional tells the in-crowd that they are wrong, the joy of the internet is that the post and the poster can disappear. We should be grateful that these people are only running a website and engaging in vanity publishing. They could be running a country.
Whatever the subject, and wherever (real or virtual) the place, the small-minded will always prevent criticism by any means possible. People like that cannot cope with the thought that others may realise that their pontificating is bullshit. Anything is preferable, and the thought that in some way they are being dishonest probably does not even occur to them. If it does it is dismissed as an irrelevance beside their need for superiority.
At least Foo sometimes comes here to talk shit. Manton is incapable of being in a place where he is not the admired centre of attention. Locked in his closet he emerges only to go to favoured suppliers who are prepared to make new clothes for the Emperor whilst buttoning their lip and keeping quiet about their genuine expertise in exchange for lots of money. Or perhaps they are crap at their job - like a lot of what comes out of A&S these days. One can only hope that he is happily married - it is not good for a man to speak only to people he pays to praise him. Roman Emperors used to have a slave to ride with them in the chariot carrying the Emperor in his triumphal procession. The slave's job was to whisper throughout, 'Remember, thou art mortal'. Manton would, I feel, regard this as dangerously revolutionary.
#8 2010-07-09 15:47:05
- JohnL
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Re: Proof Style Forum unfairly backs Manton right or wrong
Thread drift on/
Although I have seen some very nice examples of A&S work the disproportionate number of awful bespoke items from them that keep cropping up would put me off going there.
Not that I would have anyway as it’s a long time since I bought Savile Row bespoke having found comparable quality and style off the Row at half the price or less.
I exclude Norton's field coats (at least those from mid 90’s) from that last comment as they are, in the words of my current bespoke tailor, “works of art”.
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"The less taste a person has in dress, the more obstinate he always seems to be. It is a great pity. Because he will never be a success as it" - Jerome K Jerome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVHUA4dZI0o&feature=related
#9 2010-07-09 16:20:24
- mafoofan
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Re: Proof Style Forum unfairly backs Manton right or wrong
I know you guys like to fantasize about forum character drama, but the one thing the A&S thread makes clear is that Manton does not always garner unmitigated approval. Most reactions to his jacket were negative. I laid out criticism myself, even though I don't think it's a plainly bad jacket.
I don't know what happened to the deleted post, but given what other posts have survived in the thread, I find it hard to believe it would be deleted for content alone. Neither Despos's or Tailorgod's commentaries were squirreled away, and both run squarely against Manton's opinions.
Alright, return to your make-believe.
#10 2010-07-09 19:06:14
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#12 2010-07-09 21:03:34
- The_Shooman
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#14 2010-07-10 06:21:22
- maximus
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So let me get this straight.
Mantoni gets a jacket made by A&S and if you don't tell him it looks great when it looks sloppy, he gets you banned?
Weak, lame and pathetic.
I shall commission a suit:
So let it Bespoken
So let it be done!
#15 2010-07-10 23:08:08
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http://www.cutterandtailor.com/forum
#16 2010-07-11 07:44:07
- Bishop of Briggs
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It is possible that Manton had a promotional deal with John Whittaker of A&S, similar to the notorious "Father" Francis Bown's. His jacket, in the first London Lounge Cloth Club gun club cloth, may have been made specifically to counter the anti-A&S comments on various fora. If so, the tactic backfired spectacularly.
The London Lounge also appears to have a commercial edge to its moderation. Some of you may recall that Michael Alden deleted my posts which asked about John Hitchcock's training as a coat cutter. Like Jason, I had read that he had trained as a trouser cutter and switched to cutting coats after his son, Thomas Mahon and Ed Deboise left to set up their own firms.
Alden's Certified Artisan Programme is enigmatic to put it politely - http://thelondonlounge.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6852. The most recent addition in "tailors" is "Huntsman, Mr. Peter Smith, General Manager, London". I understand Peter, like Mariano Rubinacci who is also on the list, is not a trained tailor. His addition followed shortly after his appearance in a Dress With Style video which plugged Huntsman's ready to wear range. Huntsman's RTW clothing is made by Cheshire Bespoke, owned by Tony Lutwyche.
There is no doubt that the "independence" of various fora and blogs has been compromised by commercial deals. It is obvious that Andy Gilchrist plugs products on threads after receiving freebies from advertisers. However, there are less transparent deals that dictate how fora are moderated. It is our duty to find and expose the miscreants.
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Contrary to lies of FNB and Woofboxer, I (and most of the other "Buff Bastards") have been banned from posting on this forum. There are only a few posters left so don't waste your time on here. This forum is dead and nobody cares.
#17 2010-07-12 10:40:40
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Contrary to lies of FNB and Woofboxer, I (and most of the other "Buff Bastards") have been banned from posting on this forum. There are only a few posters left so don't waste your time on here. This forum is dead and nobody cares.
#18 2010-07-12 11:36:27
- Big Tony
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"What sort of post-apocalyptic deathscape is this?"
"I don't want to look like a cock hungry sailor after all !!!"
"When it comes to infidelity, broken families, and reckless fatherhood, the underclass are amateurs."
#19 2010-07-12 11:39:03
- Big Tony
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"What sort of post-apocalyptic deathscape is this?"
"I don't want to look like a cock hungry sailor after all !!!"
"When it comes to infidelity, broken families, and reckless fatherhood, the underclass are amateurs."
#20 2010-07-12 15:44:43
- Grossgrain Silk
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#22 2010-07-15 07:08:54
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#24 2010-07-17 16:24:52
- Big Tony
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"What sort of post-apocalyptic deathscape is this?"
"I don't want to look like a cock hungry sailor after all !!!"
"When it comes to infidelity, broken families, and reckless fatherhood, the underclass are amateurs."
#25 2010-07-18 08:01:33
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