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#1 2010-07-22 14:52:45

Rip Rig & Panic
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Beyond the Ivy League: John Simons As Intellectual

There has always been more to the man than meets the eye.  Conversations with him led me to furniture designers and hard edge painters.  I invested in an Ellsworth Kelly from a New York dealer.  The basement at Russell Street contained art journals a-plenty.  He is interested in 'objects' as well as clothes.  This is 'modernism' for you, take it or leave it.  This is, then, beyond Ivy League style and into something more complex.  I'd already begun reading up on people like Richard Hamilton, Roy L and Pollock, but exposure got me interested in Guttoso and, to a lesser degree, in modern architecture.  This is partly why a clothing/jazz enthusiast would be photographing 'Bar Italia': the ethos, the aesthetic.  He's not just a schmutter merchant.

 

#2 2010-07-22 23:18:17

heikki k
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methinks, to truly be a 'modernist' one must go beyond clothes / music, and delve deeper, to art, architecture and design. by this, i'm not preaching that everyone should be - say - collecting modernist art or furniture excessively but a certain knowledge / interest in these things is definitely a must-have.

as a collector of objects, i'm far from perfect. living in finland, i've got a few bits of bobs by aalto + furniture bu lesser known finnish modernist designers. however, i have a certain objection  towards purism in just about every walk of life, thus, say, my  home does not look like a museum of modernist furniture. instead, i've got contemporary stuff and antique stuff alngside with purely modernist things.

as for art, i have a keen interest in the works of finnish modernist painters, such as sam vanni, unto pusa, otto mäkilä, lars-gunnar nordstrom, ernst mether-borgstom, edwin lyden, max salmi and what have you.

 

#3 2010-07-22 23:56:50

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Aalto was certainly one of those names that cropped up, heikki.  I note that the Giant vibrator stool my old woman bought from crappy Ikea is almost a direct copy of an Aalto design.

 

#4 2010-07-23 00:01:07

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Re: Beyond the Ivy League: John Simons As Intellectual

ikea has been copying many (scandinavian) designers excessively. over here in finland, though, other manufacurers have been at it as well.

 

#5 2010-07-23 00:14:56

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The clothes, of course, are simply the most marvellous expression of something greater.  I detest most of the bastardised forms modernism took during the later part of the 20th century, but components of the ideal remain superb: in graphics for example: terrifically exciting and unstuffy for those who know how to use their eyes.  Think of Brownjohn.

 

#6 2010-07-23 01:40:34

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I realise that the mass marketing of the style after the Second World War was part of the process of 'democratising' the USA in terms of what was available and to whom, and that the chemicals industries had a role to play.  I'll still wear a rayon scarf.  But the rediscovery of natural fibres must have been a joy for some, so that I'll automatically reject any knitwear or shirt that isn't 100 per cent natural.  Outerwear tends to be a slightly different matter, unfortunately. 
It's part of the history, but any forward movement must be towards 100 per cent natural.  Even if the bloody collars burst.

 

#7 2010-08-10 11:25:32

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Bump...  if only to rip Hewitt open and rub salt into his wounds...  Sitting this p.m. reading about Russian Constructivism and seeing the error of my ways on modern art and design...  That's the Simons/Marsh/Gall influence for you...

 

#8 2010-08-10 11:35:55

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^ Did you see, Rodchenko & Popova.. Defining Constructivism? if not,get the catalog.


'Jean-Paul Sartre and john lee hooker'

 

#9 2010-08-10 11:41:08

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Think I've seen it for sale...

 

#10 2010-08-10 11:50:38

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The tate still has the catalogue from the exhibition.


'Jean-Paul Sartre and john lee hooker'

 

#11 2010-09-24 02:30:00

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General question:  Where's John Simons at now?  Blink and he changes before your very eyes.  Well, not quite, but he does set the pace and, by doing so, gives off odd hints and clues about the individuality of style that makes Ivy (or 'Ivy') so seductive in its appeal.

 

#12 2010-09-24 13:22:33

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I understand he is in the Indian Ocean shark wrestling. He parachuted in while taking a break from the World Chess Masters in Moscow. He has a couple of days to kill before he addresses the U.N on his solution to Climate change.
We should meet up at his sculpture exhibition in Paris, on route to premier of his latest movie in Cannes.  In the meantime check out his new album... His duet with Jay Z is Fabulous...

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#13 2010-09-24 13:30:54

colin
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...yet the creation of a decent new sack suit proves to be the toughest of all the problems we face today....

 

#14 2010-09-24 14:04:16

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And so Beatnik finally succumbed and joined the disciples of John. Spread the word B!

 

#15 2010-09-24 18:59:56

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I brush my teeth with minty paste/I hate when Liquor goes to waste.

 

#16 2010-09-25 10:43:26

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Re: Beyond the Ivy League: John Simons As Intellectual

Out of the Mexico beers, he always preferred that Pacifica brand. Those corn based beers tend to be extremely light on the stomach, as per the Canadian whiskies.

I think you can be into the clothes without being into modern architects, which invariably lack soul, a sense of aesthetic beauty and therefore moral decency. 

Those of us, who did not shop, or meet the man himself, will only have the words of the inner sanctum and the new shop and website to judge by. Let's hope our hero does not let us down.


Vibe-Rations in Spectra-Sonic-Sound

 

#17 2010-09-25 10:57:42

colin
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Re: Beyond the Ivy League: John Simons As Intellectual

modernist architecture doesn't neccessarily lack soul or aesthetic beauty. The heavy concepts which underpin modernist architecture are fascinating to me.

 

#18 2010-09-25 11:06:10

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The concepts have no value outside the hallowed, anaemic halls of academia.  The heavy concepts only have relevance if they produce the physical embodiment of beauty, or a comfortable building to live/visit/work in. If you need a degree in art appreciation to understand or appreciate it, then we are fucked.

Of course, you are right, modernist architecture doesn't necessarily lack soul or beauty, I go with that, but a lot of it, especially when designed for the poor huddled masses does. Why is this, by design?  On purpose, quite possibly. And if so, the architect and his sponsors have committed a moral crime.


Vibe-Rations in Spectra-Sonic-Sound

 

#19 2010-09-25 11:18:36

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Re: Beyond the Ivy League: John Simons As Intellectual

True, pretty much all council-lead versions of modernism in the UK were/are still still. And even guys like Le Corbusier had some questionnable urban planning ideas in a moral sense (location wise there was definately a sense of put people in their places, and they'll stay in that place).

Having said that, at the same time, I really like that there was the sense that the spaces where you live directly influence your life - glass walls and the angle of buildings allow for lots of sunlight which is good for health; located in areas where there is lots of green spaces around these buildings (not suggesting this worked as such, but I like the idea behind it).

You could argue that certain aspects tried to counter bourgouise living - stripping out uneccesary ornamentation on and in buildings, rather producing mass-produced stuff, e.g. furniture which could, in theory, be available to more people?

I'm no expert, just my interpretation I guess.

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#20 2010-09-25 11:37:16

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Indeed, the spaces where you live and work, definitely influence your life and well being.


Vibe-Rations in Spectra-Sonic-Sound

 

#21 2010-09-25 14:06:11

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A reading of Tom Wolfe's 'From Bauhaus To Our House' is instructive re the American rejection of European-influenced domestic architecture.

 

#22 2010-09-25 14:14:59

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"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#23 2010-09-25 14:15:54

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#24 2010-09-25 14:16:07

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"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

Souvent me Souvient

 

#25 2010-09-25 14:17:25

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