I see The Independent and Guardian have lost no time in using this event as an excuse to label anyone who dares to question unfettered immigration from Pakistan and Somalia as a Neo-Nazi racist and are intent on stifling debate through a climate of intimidation and fear.

The thing I take most from this, apart from the no recognised threat of any extremism, from what ever group of people, is how the UK press, namely the BBC , are completely disrespectful, overly prying, leading and just down right lacking in any taste, humanity and decency.

At the moment they are pounding their chests over being the only 'official' British news group the Norwegian Prime-minister is talking to. I got the impression from people being interviewed, whether officials or regular people they all seemed rather shocked at the angle BBC reporters were taking, and taken aback by the lack of basic respect to the people, and they're country, such obvious stupid question aimed at getting sound-bites.

I have been disgusted by the event obviously, but our press and media in this country really need to get a grip on how to go about carrying themselves, and not wielding news in such a sensationalist way.

Really you should get your facts right KA before you start calling Oslo stupid. The place where the shootings took place is 40 minutes away from Oslo, I don't think its even in Oslo county. Too bad your country has been tapping the phones of hundreds of our muslim cizitens over the last ten years for no results. If only you'd have tapped the conservative racist bible basher we had here we'd all have had a result and you'd could have wiped thousands of $$$$ of your national debt. Spying on your allies? Sticking your nose in every where its not wanted and propping up dictators and war criminals when it suits till it blows up in your face. You'd be better off worrying about what goes on in your own land than mine.

Last edited by Simon (2011-07-25 14:26:02)

What I cannot understand is all the continuing, smirking pictures of this bastard in the media. He had no real motivation, beyond complete insanity. I wish that they'd close down the coverage of him. The trouble is that he is like a circus freak and they probably will not do so soon.

In the North of Holland there's a cemetry full of Georgian muslims who were fighting in the SS.

Hitler had a tremendous respect for Islam and this is reciprocated with the popularity of 'Mein Kampf' in Arab nations. Its the heady mix of anti-semitism and despotism that is so appealing beneath the harsh desert sun.

Now the Telegraph is on the act: Geert Wilders is a right wing fascist and the EDL is a right wing organization that was in league with the killer.

The fact is the EDL although outwardly denouncing racism is packed to the brim with racists, of all types of intellectual calibre. If the EDL is true to what Mr Lennon believes it to be, then I think he should've at some point disbanded it, and become something else. Because if his message is of true diplomatic debate, over peoples' concerns on over-immigration and the threat of extremism, (from all areas) as he stated last night, then the EDL has had itself undermined, not by the Liberal media, but by the words and actions of it's members on the internet, and at public demos.

He really is naive to think he can rescue the face of the EDL.

The gap to discuss these things politically will always be undermined because as we know immigration is good for the economy, and as with most cases concerning our quality of life we receive the biggest threat from our politicians. Working against it's peoples' interests Not from the tiny amount of extremists, who may blight us every 5 to 10 years with terrible acts of violence.

As for the Muslim SS, some Indian's looked to the Nazi to help them over throw the Raj, but many others fought of the Allies, I think 2 million or so fought on that front.

But to cut to the chase, the propaganda these extremist spurge, is really a collection of semi-historical facts that back up their claims, why they cleverly ignore the other facts, that undermine their argument, to many extents they are deluded, and probably if not definitely boarding on mental illness, no matter how logically they frame their argument, it is definitely not rational to resort to the type of violence we've seen.

Last edited by Oo Bop Sh'bam (2011-07-26 02:38:25)

Large amounts of people/the public don't have the capacity to process the huge huge problems that we see of globalisation, what that means to immigration, and then the further problems it can cause a native population, but lets face it like Doug Stanhope says if someone takes your job and they don't speak English, then what the hell was your job worth anyway... is that the best you could do. See Youtube for his half an hour special on immigration, it is quite hilarious.

The fact is people look for scapegoats, they are usually failed people through their own means, but direct any anger towards themselves outwardly. Which is why they are in no position really to begin to understand the things that they hate, because they use them as a tool for self-denial.

Last edited by Oo Bop Sh'bam (2011-07-26 02:46:13)

Globalisation has lead to economic migration. Since the Empire. Now we see it really as being competitive against other countries, to win contracts, to be competitive we have to have cheap labour, for that we import people and pay them less. Add to that someone's immediate family, and you soon start to have a lot of non-natives entering a country, it's down to the government to manage this in such a way that far-right sentiment doesn't start to appeal to a large part of society, simply the government has failed, and has helped fuel racist propaganda indirectly.

Last edited by Oo Bop Sh'bam (2011-07-26 03:03:58)