Just to throw in my two-cents, the news is very biased, it is run by people all with varying agendas, yes you may get good reporters, but they will always be beaten back by the editor and owners, to get the 'paper's angle'.
That is always going to happen, human's seem to have a tough time coping with truth and would rather delude themselves, and splinter off into every spectrum of delusion, I find solace in French films and Donegal Tweed. I'm no less deluding myself than some sofa warmer watching Britain's Got Talent or X-Factor, I to am a point smitten with the ideology and promise of a better life through, nice clothes, good music, and well prepare food. It is a sanctuary away from the modern dross all around us, but is no more real than it.
These leads me to Miss Winehouse, she was a person if you'd believe that didn't build up lies to cope with the world, like many artists she was over sensitive to things, and was concerned with truth, like any great person. This of course lead to herself being exposed to the world, and she found solace through drugs, we are all looking for the escape from ourselves, our own short falls, our own dashed hopes, we all suffer due to the obstacle of ourselves. That can be in your personal life, or in your business life. At some point most of us will aim to be something that reflects who we wanted to be.
Which is why we are all guilty of maybe ignoring other things, because we try to find our own gratification through selfish means, because we see those who are successful as having the attributes we lack.
If we concerned ourselves with pleasing and helping others, we might find acceptance and happiness in that. I know to a degree I'm a narcissist, but at the same time I'm altruistic, and I have to say, the times I've felt best is when helping others. I think we are sold a lie, daily, that is to be happy we must serve ourselves. And when people don't fit into that, modern living has very little to offer a good person, so no wonder so many self-destruct.
Oo Bop - spot on. Jim, I stop and raise my hat to you and, to you Republican Party Reptile (possibly the only man to mourn the demise of the News of The World), I raise the finger.
I think the whole 'sensitive and fragile artist using drugs to cope with the world' is a bunch of malarkey.
Amy was direct, raw, and bold and life was good. She was a party girl who liked to party and f#$%.
Unfortunately for her, the drugs she took for fun were highly addictive.
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Not really, I'd say there are the two types of complexes (maybe more), and probably to a degree they over-lap, maybe it's not as clear cut as I wrote, you could for instance get into drugs for recreational fun, that could turn nasty if you are unable to then cope with the rebound of using them, and then have to use them further, other people I know turned to drugs privately, away from sociable use to cope, I can't comment on Amy as I don't know her, but the feeling I got from the friends and family, is she was a very fragile person. The whole idea of being an artist is to be sensitive to emotion and then choose to communicate it. So spin it what ever way I believe, there is just as much a case for coping, as there is for irresponsibly searching for a good-time. Maybe I shouldn't have spoke for her case, as like I said I didn't know her.
I'm not up on Winehouse's music but what these celeb burnouts usually feature are a bunch of sycophants who enable and encourage the self-destructive behavior. Those are the really despicable characters in the drama.
Quite right Patrick, too many pals as Hank Williams once sang. I read somewhere that Tina Weymouth and Chris Frantz from Talking Heads had to sell their loft in New York and move out in the country to get away from all their coke friends.
Entourages of sycophants is one of the reasons most rock stars fail to delight in middle age. The fire goes out as they start to believe their own hype.
My ex-brother in law use to get the News of the World, five minutes read of salacious gossip about celebrities and that was it.
The Sunday Sport was a much better read, particularly if you were in Scotland or the North East looking for an escort or 0898 numbers. The Shaun Ryder and Bez editorials were enlightening to say the least.
^ Glad to see the old avatar is back, Del.
I always got a kick out of the old "News of the Screws" (as we used to call it) when I was up at Oxford.
Surprised that anyone would not figure that someone with the last name of "Winehouse" might be Jewish.
A co-worker of mine predicted the imminent demise of Ms. Winehouse to me a couple of years ago.
NJS is bang on the money for me. Amy W drank in the pubs round Camden was she wasn't known and skint, when she had made life changing money she still drank in the same pubs. Says a lot I think.
Russ, Simon and NJS are spot on about Amy. She wasn't into a plastic celebrity image that all the young celebrities are groomed for these days. Her music was different, her style was different and she just let it all hang out. No fancy stuff wiff this girl, she didn't want to be famous. She was real. l like that.
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Friends, the sentimentality on show in this thread is, well...
Amy wasn't the tortured soul some of you have romanticised, she was a victim of the 'cult of self' an over-indulgent, egotist who had a selfish disregard for the pain her behaviour caused others around her, those, like her father, who clearly loved her greatly and tried desperately to help her but had to watch whilst she disintegrated before his very eyes. Poor man.