Film Noir Buff Style Forum / Ebay / Etsy alert

Kingston1an · 2012-06-16 05:50:06

1960s Southwick suit 38-40?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-1960s-Southwick-Navy-Chalkstripe-Flannel-Suit-Ivy-League-Mod-/130708472243?pt=UK_Men_s_Suits_Tailoring&hash=item1e6ed501b3#ht_878wt_1270

Kingston1an · 2012-06-16 05:52:50

42 jacket

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1960s-Ivy-League-wash-and-wear-jacket-natural-shoulder-hook-vent-/110897843872?pt=UK_Men_s_Vintage_Coats_Jackets&hash=item19d206cea0#ht_500wt_1287

ThatGuy · 2012-06-17 21:57:24

Beautiful Edith · 2012-06-17 23:20:29

woofboxer · 2012-06-18 00:45:21

The Woolster · 2012-06-18 01:08:36

Beautiful Edith · 2012-06-18 01:44:09

Pity about the rather piffling collar. Reflects the fashion of the time, I suppose. Does it point up the differences between the best of Brooks and those manufacturers who consciously marketed 'Ivy League'?

Taylor McIntyre · 2012-06-18 01:59:29

I suspect so, Edith.

'Ivy League' has a lot to answer for when you consider the pure forms put forward by Brooks and where much of it was to lead when others jumped on the bandwagon.

I increasingly loathe the term 'Ivy League', even though it is stylistically correct, as it currently misleads so many just as it did in the past.

Marketing, eh?

Pfffffffft.

Never in a million years will the style get back to the purity of the Brooks vision. First 'Ivy League', then 'Preppy', then 'Trad' & 'PITA' on the internet with their paltry i-Attempts... Baggage, baggage, baggage. And all of it just marketing of the crudest kind too.

Oh the 346, RIP. You're better off out of it.

Beautiful Edith · 2012-06-18 02:05:07

'Esquire' (circa 1965) discussed the style known (to their editors at least) as 'American Gentleman'. 'Ivy League' was seen simply as an amusing alternative for the younger man. Thankfully, I guess, the mix has become too rich for us to begin seperating it (satisfactorily) into its 'component parts'.

Taylor McIntyre · 2012-06-18 02:14:00

I think pretty much the Mad Men Ad men won. 'I.L.' stuck & the style was recorded as such. Then came 'Preppy' which has stuck for even longer (and isn't even the same thing).

Beautiful Edith · 2012-06-18 02:16:49

I've seen 'Preppie' described in very, very pre-OPH terms: buttondown shirts, flat-fronted chinos, penny loafers. A West Coast look (in this instance).

Taylor McIntyre · 2012-06-18 02:34:22

But I'd guess without the colour scheme of the codified OPH of 1980 ?

... But the term is in Erich Segal's book of 1970 and was in circulation mainly as a gently mocking put-down long, long before then.

Pre-OPH 'Preppy' seems to have been quite sane. Post-OPH with all its exaggerations it was just a bit of fun down the Mall. Totally.

Sadly use the term today & it's the OPH you're saddled with. Not that Boola-Boola 'Ivy' is much better...

What's in a name ?

Absolutely everything.

The Woolster · 2012-06-18 02:48:19

I think the collar's ok, much the same you'd find on a Van Heusen V-Taper or a McGregor or a Manhattan of the era…

Yeah, I think I'm a sucker for the marketing schmarketing angle too. All the 'Authentic Kashfi Madras' and Deansgate 'Earl-Loom' tropical blends... The New Brillo! With Rust Resister. Shines Aluminum Fast! The McGregor Anti-Freeze! And the President drinks Coke, Liz Taylor drinks Coke, and just think, you can drink Coke too. Ivy for everyone!

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The Woolster · 2012-06-18 02:57:43

I draw the line at Preppy though!

Taylor McIntyre · 2012-06-18 03:03:29

LOL !

"Things go better with Coke!" - A slogan that's not to be sniffed at !

The Thin Repp · 2012-06-18 05:14:36

Taylor McIntyre · 2012-06-18 05:26:13

I still hang onto 'Natural Shoulder' - Such is my respect for it I don't use it online.

The Thin Repp · 2012-06-18 06:17:50

Speaking of words, a kid walked into the Andover Shop the other day and asked if our MTM trousers had to be cut "very trad". As much as that word gets thrown around online it is still jarring to hear in actual speech. Next it will be someone walking in and asking "pardon me, do you carry OCBDs?"

Taylor McIntyre · 2012-06-18 06:27:45

Eeeek !

When Ethan first used 'GTH' (my coinage) on the O'Connell's site I felt very strange too....

WTF? LOL? TNSIL !

marlowe v2.0 · 2012-06-18 06:38:51

Taylor McIntyre · 2012-06-18 06:42:47

Ummmmm - There's two pairs of very nice Andover trou. in JS just now from a Pal of mine. NOS with tags. Paul will know size & price.

The Thin Repp · 2012-06-18 07:40:46

Taylor McIntyre · 2012-06-18 07:48:42

Zach - A bit of an old one -

Chet Baker's Khakis from The Andover... Were they Corbin ?

Horce and I thought so.

- And on a Horace note, I hope you will meet him soon. Charlie & H. go way back.

Shalom -

The Thin Repp · 2012-06-18 07:55:39

I'll add it to the list of jazz questions to ask Charlie when he gets a minute.

Taylor McIntyre · 2012-06-18 08:05:43

Understood.

You must be like I was up The Ivy Shop back in the day...

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