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Christ, this is work for you isn't it!? No wonder advertising used to turn out such a high percentage of alcoholics. Like with airline pilots it's a job that's preferably done three sheets to the wind.

Last edited by My Grandfather's Pants (2012-11-12 08:31:22)

What Jim is actually showing is prejudice based on a person's choice to go beyond the projection of their natural shoulder line, a gesture in my book which is tantamount to them declaring themselves to be a child murder. Or even worse. A Tory.

I think two things come into play, the act of dressing in a smart way, and then your clothes actually having the quality, to suggest you do have the money to be of a higher social position.

You could say, ooh look at you all posh in a suit. Well that suit could be from Matalan, not really posh is it? Where you could see someone in a casual shirt, and jeans, and you could tell he was posh by the quality of those clothes.

No one should mistake us for being posh, we're wearing clothes out of dead people's wardrobes, that's only posh when it's your Dad's and he had an estate, (not a Volvo)

Why would a little business like JS be thinking about hiring external marketing consultants?  Surely they haven't got the level of profits for that kind of thing?

Thing is, a lot of guys (like me) have sloping shoulders. The completely or mostly unstructured shoulder doesn't necessarily look very good, depending on a couple of other factors I will lump under the term "the cut and other stuff."

I have a couple of jackets and suits with what would fall into the category of "updated American" — some shape, but not much. They look "natural."

So "natural shoulder" can mean a lot of things. It's easier to define it by what it isn't — great honking shoulder pads that stick out at the sides when standing and go up, up and away when you're sitting at a table half-sloshed and shooting the breeze about Ivy.

JS linked Ivy to fascism in 'The Influential Factor' I think (My copy was loaned out, never recovered and not greatly missed). Hard Bop will remember better than I.
It was because Ivy had rules - Which indeed it still does. They give it its defining identity. It is a codified form of dress.

/\  There is a lovely poetry to that. Thank you.