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Yes, I do, I have worked with several ex-miners, also those who continued to work in the mining profession. I am also actively involved in the mining industry, I bet you didn't guess that one did you? I work with real miners engaged in the mining industry in South Africa and elsewhere, albeit a small but significant portion of the business I am engaged in.
Nevertheless, are you here to pretend he led his cause to victory?
As you ask, I know a lot of ex-miners and they consider Mr Scargill a complete and utter twat. So on the basis of that, I ask you the question: Are you now, engaged in the mining industry, or are you just pretending?
Such a redundant arguement Formby..those people knew their jobs were on the line...what do they do take no action at all? The suppliers were also going to loose their industry too...such a perverted logic
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That's what makes me laugh is, the 'management' set a ball rolling, say it's 'reality' and then anything against that is idealism, it's not, it's just their ideals being put into place which is often profit before people, the fact is you can run companies that are not swelling cash cows that close factories and ship everything out to China etc, companies that can supply steady incomes to their owners and their staff if they're managed around the idea of sustaining themselves, ive seen it happen, it doesnt have to be just an ideology. Business is always about expansion it seems and it's often that expansion that ultimately sinks them in the end.
But the greedy like to frame things as 'reality' It's like how austerity is used as a 'reality' in order for us to accept our so called public debt and diminishing social care because we have debts to pay off. We don't...the Tories and former Labour government are well versed in tapping the public purse for private gain... the media reinforce the message..and they keep shedding the public until people finally have enough...which is what is going on right now...interest rates at 0 to 0.5% this might as well be Japan in the 90s.
As for the pits, all Thatcher wanted to do there was smash it up until it looked more attractive to the private purse, and take down a political adversary the NUM in the process...two birds with one stone.
We could easily subsidise the miners especially for something so cruical to the economy as our energy supply. Again what makes me laugh is how the Tories frame it as saving the public purse when all they're doing is taking the investment of the public purse and then turning it into private profit, after stripping it all down...that's what it is really all about...of course you subsidise the critical parts of you infrastructure and safe guard it...but the idea that these things are a burden to the public purse so you then get the public to accept a worse deal that sees all that public money translate into private gain is just underhand...yet we still fall for it...the NHS is going to be the pit closures of this decade...its already happening. Its costs being already being sighted on the front pages of the rightwing papers....softening up the public for an arguement for closure and job cuts and ultimately privatisation...
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"We're returning to a class-based bigotry of the past when hurling abuse at the better off was preferred to empowering working people to get on in life and achieve".
Simon Danczuk
Labour MP for Rochdale.
Question: Why do we waste so much valuable space on this otherwise great forum to discuss a badly-dresses commie?
Anyway, to go back to the sartorial aspect, Corbyn is at least in reasonable shape.
Fatty Soames was on telly tonight defending Brittan by attacking Watson. Soames wears Savile Row's finest.
But I would rather look like Corbyn. Slightly down at heel geography teacher as opposed to Mr.Creosote.