Indeed, it's no accident that Jung would deal himself a tarot deck now and then.

Take control, equally as influential on Bowie was Burroughs, another protagonist engaged in voodoo alchemy.

Aren't you?

666 is my lucky number.

Yes but that would the dark and shelfish side of magic Shoo. What about white magic/right hand path..? You use the knowledge for good.. eg. a surgeon using knowledge to save a life? The understanding of how to heal and purify..herbalism etc..these things are to benefit.. if you understand things the same way I do you know what I mean. I dont see it in grand symbolism im talking about the obvious flow of things and how we are part of that flow..the quantum world manifests in our world the ability to control outcomes is what we wish for and once whatvwe prayed for..knowledge of these things give us control, and it's the choice of the person what they do with that knowledge... in popular culture we see it in Lord of the Rings which itself is based on the Pilgrim's Progress and of course the ideas found in Starwars darkside being neutralised by the light.

Although the ideas are dressed as fairytales is it not obvious to see that people have the ability to manipulate and control to some degrees outcomes with their knowledge and intelligence many work to these outcomes benefiting them but some peoole..lets call them good people have the ability to save, heal and work outwardly with theirs?

In simple terms the dark or black absorbs energy and traps it...white reflects all light it gives energy back.. these are the two polarities which energy flow round

In the past it was called magic..lets just call it the knowledge of things and those with the knowledge become better at manipulating outcomes for better or for worse...

Anyway so how does this tie in with Bowie he was someone that could manipulate vibrations. .light, sound and emotion to benefit himself. He studied Crowley he used the imagery and ideas..he knew what he was doing..if you read the basic prerequisite of left hand path magic you see he carried out a lot of what it writes about social taboos etc and sex. He gained personal wealth from it and power..but not everyone was caught up in it. In summary he used the knowledge for personal gain..he may have done some good with it too..like I said, it's not all as black and white as you make out shoo..there is a lot of middle ground

Ill leave you with a song...


https://youtu.be/mDYNuD4CwlI.

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Everything is amoral. Morals are a human construct.

Yeah adorable, didn't you know that Bop is the only poster who has ever been educated?

Jewish teachings dont allow for practical Kabbalah, it is protected because they believe it is too corrupting. What we see above is the use of it with practical magic/occult. So if you look at it in Jewish terms you're already screwed just to start trying to use it practically...

Saying that those that use it outside of Jewish teachings aren't supposed to even be using the correct knowledge..it something that has been reimagined to suit its practitioners since the middle ages.

Again saying that those that do practice it recognise the three paths..the left, the right and the centre.

So in Jewish terms yes this is all amoral use for someone not prepared to practice it, in terms of practical magic..knowledge itself is neutral..it sits on the centre line..you either use it to serve yourself or others or both!

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