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#1 2021-09-12 05:33:53

A Fine Sadness
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John And Paul Simons - What Now? What Next?

Almost ten years since I visited Chiltern Street: the summer of 2012.  Well, it's a fair way from me and I'm not now the world's greatest traveller. 
I used to love the old website (if you could call it that).  Anyone remember 'Soho Pasta Fill'?  And those little cards you used to get at Russell Street. 
The new website...  well...  but it's a different era.
Anyone still buying much?  Astorflex look nice.
I remember buying a cord popover.  Olive green (?)  A bit tight around the chest.  Also - not a great buy - one of the 'Popeye Doyle' hats. 
John is bloody wonderful - not just for his age.  He was very kind to me in all sorts of ways.  Completely without snobbery. 

Your thoughts?

 

#2 2021-09-12 17:28:39

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Re: John And Paul Simons - What Now? What Next?

I love John, but this is Paul's baby now. Can't say I'm that keen on its overt marketing to 'mods', and the way bovine old mods have been involved in various campaigns.

But they have wonderful clothes, and great taste. I just loved the old shops, especially Covent Garden. A marvellous place, and not a mod in sight back in the day.

 

#3 2021-09-13 02:42:40

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Re: John And Paul Simons - What Now? What Next?

How is it 'Mod' got to be so ugly?  I passed a pub the other day, evidently about to host a 'MOD night'.  Photo of some guitar hero trying to look like Weller/Gallagher/whoever/whatever.  Dodgy pub, too, I should think.  Very Brexity area.  Anyway. 
But I'd very much like to hear from the younger Paul Simons shopper.  After all, many of us are set in our ways.  I can't get too excited about French workwear.  Those slack jackets that Woofboxer exposed as being made in China, yes, but not the Breton janitor look.  As for those Japanese togs...  don't they look like cargo pants or whatever you'd call them?

 

#4 2021-09-13 04:30:00

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Re: John And Paul Simons - What Now? What Next?

Since they started developing a range of  ‘John Simons’ products it has been a learning process, with gradual improvements to fit and detail along the way. But the latest shirts, trousers and jackets hit the spot.


Like Fine Sadness I’m not a lover of workwear. But Sean at the shop did mention that they had prevailed on Vetra to incorporate a rear vent in their jackets next year!


'I'm not that keen on the Average Look .......ever'. 
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#5 2021-09-13 14:26:11

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Re: John And Paul Simons - What Now? What Next?

Mod went ugly around 1964. It then went even uglier around 15 years later after a certain film was released. I also believe that in recent years certain scooterists (mostly ex-mod, scruffy racists who spent years mocking mods) have decided in their dotage to 'return to the fold'.

Nonetheless mod has always been whatever the individual makes of it. In other words, the above is only one aspect.


some sort of banal legitimacy

 

#6 2021-09-13 14:59:10

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Re: John And Paul Simons - What Now? What Next?

That certain film certainly has a lot to answer for, though my home town was already dangerous enough what with the teds running around.  Still, having moved to Manchester I was simply hassled by Perry Boys instead.  Nasty bunch.

 

#7 2021-09-14 04:53:13

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Re: John And Paul Simons - What Now? What Next?

I find that temptation is never far away with that particular emporium.  There's a nice Stetson cap I wouldn't mind having (brown cord) to go with the tweedy one I bought at Russell Street.  Trouble is, I buy anything with plastic, even a book on ABE, and our bank starts sending alerts to my wife.  Who then begins asking questions.  Fair enough, I suppose, as I racked up some massive debts between 2009 and 2012, just on clothes.

 

#8 2021-09-14 05:39:38

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Re: John And Paul Simons - What Now? What Next?

I haven't visited Chiltern Street in a few years as I tend to avoid London these days but I still check out the JS web site. The clothes are a temptation but nowadays I just ask myself ' do I really need another jacket, shirt or pair of shoes?'. I probably have enough clothes to last my life time. There is a nice JS Harris Tweed jacket that I wouldn't mind buying though.


'I am a closet optimist' Leonard Cohen.

 

#9 2021-09-14 05:44:22

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Re: John And Paul Simons - What Now? What Next?

I had - and I once told young Jimmy F-M had - clothes that rarely or never got worn.  Which, to my way of thinking, is like putting your fresh-baked croissants into the back of a cupboard and leaving them there.  I had two dozen pairs of shoes and boots in 2012.  Now I've got two pairs of shoes, two pairs of boots and a knackered pair of Topsiders I wear when buying fish and chips/putting stuff in the bin/wandering round the garden.

True confessions.

 

#10 2021-10-07 12:47:26

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Re: John And Paul Simons - What Now? What Next?

Not a 'contrarian' view exactly - but I really don't like their website.  Scarcely a single aspect do I like, but especially the interviews with chaps like Tony Nourmand: "How do you come to be wearing that particular suit?" etc.  All right, so it's probably a selling point to someone, and fair enough.  But it leaves me cold.

 

#11 2021-10-07 12:50:12

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Mind you, the 'Wild' website is far worse.  The tattoo brigade strike again.  And Jake's is no better.  A nice shirt should not be promoted with long hair and a glass of lager.  Boy needs a trim and a cup of coffee.

 

#12 2021-10-07 14:03:35

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Re: John And Paul Simons - What Now? What Next?

So what would you have them put on their website?

To me, it’s well designed and laid out with good  photography that makes the clothes look attractive. The journal is there to add some interest and build their image by spotlighting customers who embody their target audience, but it’s in a separate area of the website that you have to visit if you’re interested. When Covid hit they realised that the online side of the business needed to develop dramatically in order for them to survive and they’ve done well, the website works in tandem with clever social media promotion. The way ahead seems to be selling some staple items, the odd quality vintage piece and short production runs of new JS labelled items so people feel they’re buying something unique. These limited editions quite often sell out in a couple of days, mainly online. The website has to be like the shop, constantly changing so there’s always something new each time you drop by. They have to acquire new customers, they won’t make a living out of old duffers with bulging wardrobes.

I don’t see overt marketing to mods either. There may be mods among their customers who have moved on towards a more Ivy centred look, but surely in the UK there’s alway been crossover between the styles anyway?. On US Ivy sites they don’t quite get Paraboots and Tootal scarves, they’re not really part of the look, but JS has been selling them for ever. I’m rambling now.


'I'm not that keen on the Average Look .......ever'. 
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#13 2021-10-07 14:21:15

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Re: John And Paul Simons - What Now? What Next?

I think the Mod aspect has been more on Twitter than the site. That has been more by association to JS than JS doing it. The site walks a careful line. I do business websites, it is hard to please all and avoid constant reinvention.

I totally agree on customers - they have to connect with next generation. In ten years, most of us here will not be buying at all. We talk a lot here but how much buying?

Over time I do not even see why it needs to be mostly Ivy at all, just have that in the mix.

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#14 2021-10-07 14:36:20

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Re: John And Paul Simons - What Now? What Next?

I doubt JS has ever been pure ivy. Ditto for Brooks.


some sort of banal legitimacy

 

#15 2021-10-07 15:07:12

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Re: John And Paul Simons - What Now? What Next?

True. Perhaps 'emphasizing Ivy less' or similar.

 

#16 2021-10-07 15:22:59

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Re: John And Paul Simons - What Now? What Next?

These are all excellent points, gentlemen; particularly those of Woof.  It's evidently the way forward for anyone hoping to earn their living from retail (and, doubtless, other areas of economic activity).  For me, I suppose, it's all tied up with nostalgia - and that does sometimes butter a few parsnips - but, yes, 'emphasizing Ivy' seems a reasonable way of putting it.  Only one man's opinion of course.

 

#17 2021-10-07 18:31:12

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Re: John And Paul Simons - What Now? What Next?

Agree with Woofboxer that the journal area is useful. Not so much for the information about the specific interviewees, but helpful to see the clothes on a variety of different looking people and with outdoor shots.

There was a little discussion on models in some recent threads; that's always been a bit maddening. I doubt there's much interest here in LVC anymore, but over the years they've had some decent pieces. I could never figure out why they would reproduce, say, 1960's sta-prest or spikes, then choose to have them modeled exclusively on sullen, hirstute or tattoed models, pushed down below the waist hip hop style, and piled up at the ankles. You would think with web space being infinite, there wouldn't be such a paucity of photos or models. Why not have one wearing the style traditionally in addition to someone "dirtbagging" it up?

 

#18 2021-10-13 04:39:27

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Re: John And Paul Simons - What Now? What Next?

Excellent customer relations.  Over the 'phone.  Makes me fall in love with the whole Simons vibe all over again.

 

#19 2021-11-03 07:42:16

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Re: John And Paul Simons - What Now? What Next?

A guy with facial hair and a woolly hat lounges in the shop doorway.  Who is he?  What's he doing there?  What's the point or purpose of his posing?  Does he think Paul Weller will find something nice to say about him?  His clothing is nice enough - but could be nicer if he paid a bit more attention to his overall look.  Or am I being hard on him?  I'm sorry - I truly am - but if they want to photograph somebody in the doorway to raise their profile why not just ask Weller or one of his acolytes? 
Better still, ring up one or two 'Talk Ivy' posters (I mention no names) and get them to demonstrate the art of the natural shoulder/how to look good in a marl sweatshirt, Levis and Jack Purcell/how to dazzle in a Madras or seersucker jacket.  Anything, FFS, other than what we're seeing here.  No offence, pal, but you need to ditch the headgear and visit a Turkish barber.

 

#20 2021-11-03 07:45:08

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Re: John And Paul Simons - What Now? What Next?

Over on 'Twatter' - sorry, 'Twitter' - a posse of Millwall 'fans'.  What kind of message is this supposed to be sending out?

I guess I was lucky.  I read about Russell Street in a book.  Even Facebook didn't exist back then.  Thank heaven.

 

#21 2021-11-07 04:15:11

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Re: John And Paul Simons - What Now? What Next?

Yesterday I dropped into the shop for no particular reason. Some nice autumn/winter items on display, including military deck jackets if you want to make like Paul Newman in Someone Up There Likes Me. Some exquisite brushed cotton plaid button down shirts from their The Ivy Shirt range. More shetlands on the way. None of this I succumbed to except for the knitted tie that’s  currently in the picture on the front of their website, I have been admiring it for weeks, but once seen in the flesh I was unable to pass it up.


'I'm not that keen on the Average Look .......ever'. 
John Simons

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#22 2021-11-07 04:31:04

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Re: John And Paul Simons - What Now? What Next?

Does everything appear on the website, Woof?  Those shirts sound nice: just the job for this time of year.  John is reckoned to be in attendance on Saturdays.

 

#23 2021-11-07 11:57:27

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Re: John And Paul Simons - What Now? What Next?

Not everything but the aforementioned shirts will be on the site shortly.


'I'm not that keen on the Average Look .......ever'. 
John Simons

Achievements: banned from the Ivy Style FB Group

 

#24 2021-11-18 03:21:28

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Re: John And Paul Simons - What Now? What Next?

Oh dear oh dear oh dear - I must stop glancing at Twitter over my morning coffee and sweet biscuit and focus on the Daily Mail's female problem page instead. 
'We are the mods, we are the mods, we are, we are...' 
£47 a ticket for a geriatric pop star who is beginning to look more and more like my late grandmother?  (Actually, Keith Richard has that honour). 
Boys, really...

 

#25 2021-11-18 05:21:22

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Re: John And Paul Simons - What Now? What Next?

I don't mind the website, maybe not the best but works. As for the Mod thing, it's still a business and they can't rely on the old clientele, me included as we've got enough clothing and shoes to last a lifetime. Even John who remembers the 1960's skinhead trade with some distaste never turned them away when they were queuing up Hill Rise. I still like to visit the shop when I'm in London just for a chat and a catch up but rarely buy much.

 
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