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#1 2021-10-25 02:45:35

A Fine Sadness
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A Dedicated Black Music Thread

I know we've got 'Groovin'', but it hasn't had, I don't think, too many visits lately. 
Now, very few of us on here are necessarily going to prefer Mozart to Marvin Gaye.  A stupid comparison, I realise, but there we are.
Not everyone digs jazz, but most like soul of some description.  Who of us born around the mid-50s never tried tuning in to listen to Bo Diddley or, later, Motown, Atlantic, Stax, you name it? 
A few names stand out for me when I was growing up: The Four Tops, The Supremes, Isaac Hayes, Jackie Wilson (he came later).  By 'growing up' I mean reaching the end of my teens. 
Before that, as a fifteen year old Stones fan with a jazz and blues loving father he got me onto Robert Johnson, Robert Wilkins, Son House, Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf, Blind Lemon Jefferson and a score of others.  "Why bother with white men singing the blues when you can listen to the real thing?" 
That led me to Parker and Coltrane.  And so on.
Come on.  You'll all have a story to tell.

 

#2 2021-10-25 03:33:42

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I started secondary school in '64, made some new pals and one of them had an older brother (around 9 yrs older), who was totally into his R&B, blues etc,  I doubt I needed a 'kick-start' into black music but this really helped, we use to wait for the older brother to go out ( often to Eel Pie Island), and play his records, Garnett Mimms was a name that sticks in my mind, at this time the Stones & bands like the Pretty Things brought R&B to the masses, of course at the time r&b ,soul was the music the true mods ( not the 7/6' ers !), by 15 I was blagging my way into licenced dance halls, ( Boathouse Kew, Castle Richmond), and it was all that was played, either live by (probably) old jazzers or young white/mixed bands, or on disc as was the case at the Castle, there was a Motown revival in '69 lots of re-releases from 4/5 years earlier hit the charts, I guess some kids thought these were new releases, personally I preferred the stax & atlantic sounds rather than Motown but Marvin & the Isleys were great, funnily I never bought records around this time, TBH I didn't have the money to buy records and clothes, clothes always won, then beer... if memory serves me in late summer  '69 reggae was starting to be played in the Castle, there were 2 dancehalls one playing soul the other reggae, in general Ivy Leaguers/ late Mods listening to the soul, skins going to the reggae, remember the psychedelic soul sounds in 69/70 'ish, after that it went a bit political for my tastes, taste in music changed with change in taste in clobber, I bet RobbieB has some good memories of that time from an E/London perspective,

 

#3 2021-10-25 03:46:32

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Thanks, Stax.  The Isley Brothers 'Summer Breeze'.  Yeah!  Number One Feelgood Sound - just like 'Lovely Day'.

 

#4 2021-10-25 04:10:25

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From the top of a London bus I have often observed long queues waiting to see ‘Tina’ the musical. I suppose the eighty-something songstress is now mainstream pop as opposed to black music. Still interesting to inspect the type of audience for such a production.

Mullet-haired former footballer Gerry Francis also staged musicals. We got free tickets for a Motown based show of his. The name escapes me. Middle aged types dancing in the aisles and recapturing their youth.

I note that it is mostly rock and roll types that persist with their music. So I get pals reminding me of the line ups of bands that produced LPs when I was at school. And boring me to death. Rock is now a pensioners game.


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#5 2021-10-25 04:14:23

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Summer Breeze of course being a Seals and Croft song that predated the Isleys' version. I like the Isley version better though.  Some of their lesser known 70s stuff like 'For The Love Of You' is beautiful.

Interesting point in the post above - it's more important to me to keep finding new music to enjoy as it is clothes. I'm constantly looking and Bandcamp (especially the app rather than the website, though website needed for downloading) has proved wonderful in exploring new (and some old) music. I'm completely done with Rock though, to the point mentioned. Like all music, it had it's time, people can still enjoy it.

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#6 2021-10-25 04:24:54

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As I grow older, thinking back to my early listening, I've drawn the conclusion that around ninety nine per cent of rock music is the biggest load of cack ever foisted upon an unsuspecting/ignorant/oblivious audience.  I cannot believe now just how sold I was on The Rolling Stones around the age of fifteen.  If they gave a free concert in the field outside my house I'd stick my earplugs in.  Yet they did lead me to Robert Johnson et al.

 

#7 2021-10-25 05:33:12

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Isley's "Harvest for the World" & Archie Bell's "Soul City Walking" always transports me back to the long hot summer of '76

 

#8 2021-10-25 06:25:40

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Just been listening to Marvin Gaye ' what's going on' via the Tony Blackburn soul on Sunday radio show. Still beautiful and takes me back. I had it on 8 track and used to play it in my MK 2 Ford Cortina. Popular with the ladies


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#9 2021-10-25 06:33:19

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Tony often seems to play 'Soul City Walking'. Nice

Back in the day it was Stax ,Atlantic, Motown in that order for me. Started going to Ilford Palais as a 13 year old on a Saturday afternoon. They played mainly Motown. Then we graduated to Sunday nights. A great way to end the weekend before school on Monday.


'I am a closet optimist' Leonard Cohen.

 

#10 2021-10-25 06:35:23

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Great song, co written by Obie Benson of the 4 Tops.

 

#11 2021-10-25 06:57:38

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I have an eclectic taste in music so it's easier to say what I don't like.
That would be progressive rock music. I see it as self indulgent and dead end.
I loved it when punk music came along just because it put an end to the self indulgent rock music.
I prefer music that can be danced to. We listen to jazz as background music maybe once a week on Spotify but can't say I'm a big fan.
I used to listen to classical music when I had to drive around the North Circular road in London. It helped to calm the road rage that I was once well known for.


'I am a closet optimist' Leonard Cohen.

 

#12 2021-10-25 07:15:20

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I believe This Old Heart Of Mine by The Isley Brothers to be the greatest pop/soul tune ever composed and performed. Followed by Kim Weston's Helpless.

 

#13 2021-10-25 07:32:46

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For me, probably, 'Sweetest Feeling'.  I last heard it in my daughter's Giant vibrator some time last year. 

Maybe some could offer their Top 10/20 favourites.

 

#14 2021-10-25 07:32:59

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Ahead of Tears of a Clown?  Controversial.

 

#15 2021-10-25 07:33:52

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^ Odd stuff.  All right, then, the place where she cooks pasta, not where she gets laid by her new husband.

 

#16 2021-10-25 08:29:01

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I'm also very, very struck on Little Anthony And The Imperials - not only 'Better Use Your Head' but also the slightly syrupy tunes. 
I used to hear a lot of Billie Holiday when living at home but couldn't stand 'Strange Fruit'. 
Remain a fan - although I know some on here will despise the genre - of Chuck Berry.  Never fails to make me smile.

'Can you imagine the way I felt?
I couldn't unfasten my safety-belt...' 

Pure poetry.

 

#17 2021-10-25 08:46:20

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Still think the O'Jays Backstabbers is the best intro ever.

 

#18 2021-10-25 08:55:32

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Backstabbers is a killer tune. Good lyrics. There's a JBs version I had or used to have on a 7" that I used to like as well.


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#19 2021-10-25 09:21:55

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Very little after the early 90s interests me, I can listen to most forms of music for a while but sooner or later it starts to annoy me and has to be turned off, in the case of rap music this time span is about 10 seconds.* When I was in my teens Motown and Soul were big and of course great to dance to. Today's stars seem very bland compared to giants like Bowie and Queen. 

The exception to the above annoyance/switch off factor is that just lately, after many years of eschewing jazz I've really got into it and am building up a decent CD collection. You can either sit and listen to it or have it on in the background and it creates an ambience that I find very relaxing. It's a wide field and trying to listen to some of it is just hard work. But I'm identifying and focusing in on what I like which mainly seems to be Blue Note recordings from the mid 50s to early 60s hard bop era when a particular crop of musicians like Art Blakey, Hank Mobley and Wayne Shorter were active and producing their greatest work. The beauty of streaming services like Spotify if that a particular album is recommended in your Penguin Guide to Jazz you can listen to it and quickly establish if it's to your taste.

*Keith Richards was recently asked what he thought of rap music and he commented 'There seems to be a huge market out there for repetitive beats with people shouting and swearing'.


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#20 2021-10-25 09:33:41

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Villain to Bruce Willis in 'The Last Boy Scout':  'I want to hear you scream'
Willis: 'Play some rap music'.

 

#21 2021-10-25 09:45:03

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Re. Blue Note: many years ago I bought a couple of Blue Note comps, Blue Bossa and the sequel. All typical Blue Note artists doing Latin jazz, their way. Often with guest musicians drafted in on percussion that nowadays are my absolute heroes e.g. Barretto and Patato. Not pure Latin music in any way but a lot of the tracks are superb. As the title suggests, lots of Brazilian inspired music, but some mambo/Afro-Cuban influences too. Recommended.

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#22 2021-10-25 09:49:05

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Haven't heard that version before and have just listened to it.

 

#23 2021-10-25 09:49:46

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Hope you liked it.


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#24 2021-10-25 10:02:42

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I did thanks, I like Fred Wesley and that 70's funk sound.

 

#25 2021-10-25 10:09:34

Yuca
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Yes they were monsters back then.


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