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#1 2009-04-22 09:06:28

Just Jim
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The "Geoffrey Scott" OCBD -

I've just found the mail shot from JS around '88-ish which tells the tale:

"These mail-order shirts have been made for us in the U.S.A. by the finest shirt makers..."

So that's why no Yank knows them. they were indeed a JS special.

So who was "Geoff. Scott"? Some mate of John's?

This shirt promotion was "J. Simons first exclusive mail-order offer".

I got 4 left.

 

#2 2009-04-22 13:17:54

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Re: The "Geoffrey Scott" OCBD -

I had a yellow/white uni stripe. It was more than OK, these days it would be considered very good.

 

#3 2009-04-22 15:41:27

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Re: The "Geoffrey Scott" OCBD -

Yep, the were certainly made exclusively as the leaflet says "to our specification in the USA".

Don't for the life of me remember where the name G S came from - I'm sure John himself would be happy to tell all.

Colour options were in 6 stripes and 5 solids, with the blue stripe a lovely deep blue. No, not a ginkgo fueled memory, but just like Jim, I dug out the leaflet I had tucked away.

Nice shirts they were, although I seem to remember the collar was a just ever so possibly a touch short....?

 

#4 2009-04-22 15:51:41

chetmiles
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Re: The "Geoffrey Scott" OCBD -

Any chance of a picture or two?

 

#5 2009-04-22 16:29:14

Gibson Gardens
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Re: The "Geoffrey Scott" OCBD -

Even JS and the boys were fairly dismissive of the Geoffrey Scott. The collars were too stiff and the body shape not generous enough. I've only ever heard the JS posse talk positively about 2 shirtmakers/retailers - Brooks Brothers and Troy Guild. Though I think it's fair to say that they felt the golden age of the look was in the mid 60s and that no manufacturer post 60s did Ivy style clothing with the same level of verve or imagination. Ivy was once for young, attractive, aspirational people, not reactionary, nostalgic grumps, as can often be the case today (present company excepted of course...)

GG

 

#6 2009-04-23 00:07:49

chetmiles
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Re: The "Geoffrey Scott" OCBD -

Brooks and Troy, definitely.  I have two Troy, one button-down, one spread: excellent.  A stiff collar is a real no-no: Baggies seem very variable.  Mind you, the more washin', the more softenin' and crumplin'...

 

#7 2009-04-23 00:58:03

Just Jim
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Re: The "Geoffrey Scott" OCBD -

Compared to today they're not so bad perhaps. Back in the day I saw them as the 'entry level' US made BD at JS & The Ivy Shop. Ian at The Ivy disliked the stiffness of the placket as I recall.

The collar is kind of meagre, but it is in proportion to the body of the shirt I think which is also on the skimpy side. The quality of the cotton is fine, but it's the construction of the collar, placket and cuffs that is the 'problem' with the shirts - Ironically they are all over-constructed. Less would have been more. Great stripes and solids though in colours which weren't all that easy to get even back then from other makers.

BCN - Any idea who the model was for the glossy leaflet which came with the mail-shot I quoted from? A Pro or a mate of John's? Great flatfronts (Halrin?) and Steerhide belt (Canterbury?).

 

#8 2009-04-23 01:44:54

chetmiles
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Re: The "Geoffrey Scott" OCBD -

The American-made Baggies are generally fine.  The very first I bought, the collar fraying a bit now, is still a favourite of mine.  The couple of Turkish-made ones I'm highly dubious about: very stiff indeed.  They get pushed pretty hard in Russell Street, I think, and I've been careful never to buy from there: only Hartford, which deserve a bit of a write-up of their own.  The first I bought is so soft and slouchy it's like going out in a pajama top.  You can barely feel it on.

 

#9 2009-04-23 04:11:54

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Re: The "Geoffrey Scott" OCBD -

Hartfords are lovely - I'm trying to get NOS BDs in Paris as we speak. The new stock I've seen over there has all be in the English semi spread collar style pretty much. Same great stripes, but not that lovely soft BD.

Not that the BD is the be-all-&-end-all as we have noted before.

 

#10 2009-04-25 05:57:37

Just Jim
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Re: The "Geoffrey Scott" OCBD -

Two more GS BDs just unearthed amongst all the cobwebs upstairs - A multi-stripe on Blue which wasn't a part of the original promotion (kinda stiff as noted above) &, best of all, a fine striped Blue on White Seersucker half-sleeve which is wonderfully soft in every respect. A fantastic shirt. Circa... '89?

Q: Did GS ever do Madras?

If so that must have been of interest too.

The Oxford cloth & its constuction made for too stiff a shirt. The Seersucker (& maybe the Madras, if it exists) really works with the GS cut, being a softer & thinner fabric. A nice find.

 

#11 2021-11-08 07:11:36

A Fine Sadness
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Re: The "Geoffrey Scott" OCBD -

As they've been mentioned - bump.  Very few (if any) seem to have resurfaced for the potential secondhand buyer to weigh them up. 
Troy Guild were difficult to buy secondhand by the time I first posted on here circa 2008.
Just like Frosty to have a couple of GS tucked away in his attic, hiding amongst the other 498 examples.

 

#12 2021-11-08 07:17:14

A Fine Sadness
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Re: The "Geoffrey Scott" OCBD -

In fact, a search shows that a couple have appeared on Ebay and Etsy.

 

#13 2021-11-08 07:28:34

Tworussellstreet
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Re: The "Geoffrey Scott" OCBD -

Shocking examples on the bay - these certainly weren't commissioned by Mr.Simons! Great label though - love that pseudo-Greek font - alluding, perhaps, to the classicism of the traditional Ivy syllabus to reinforce connections with the traditionalism of the Ivy wardrobe.

 

#14 2021-11-08 07:39:22

A Fine Sadness
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Re: The "Geoffrey Scott" OCBD -

The plaid (ended early for some reason) looked nice enough (what little we could see of it).  Jeff G seems to have liked his and got thirty years wear out of it (according to Frosty).

 

#15 2021-11-08 14:32:12

Runninggeez
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Re: The "Geoffrey Scott" OCBD -

I bought a few from Ivy Shop Richmond, one was a lovely half sleeve pink OCBD the other was a white long sleeve. I put on a bit of weight once I became a father, I think it's called "fat Dad syndrome".
I gave the shirts to my Dad. I asked him if he still had them a few years back, he said he got rid of a lot of clothing to charity, and that the shirts were probably part of the clear out.

 

#16 2021-11-08 15:18:16

A Fine Sadness
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Re: The "Geoffrey Scott" OCBD -

I have 'Fat Dad' and 'Fat Granddad' syndrome, R - you're by no means on your own.  By some miracle, however, most of my Makers shirts still fit and I've recently had the collars turned on three of them, at a very reasonable £8 a time.  Wish I'd known before that such a thing was possible.
Shame about those shirts going to charity, but I'm just about to part with some Paul Stuart and Andover Shop stuff in the same way.  A local hospice shop will get them.

 

#17 2021-11-08 15:35:59

Runninggeez
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Re: The "Geoffrey Scott" OCBD -

The funny thing is he owns a few LLB's OCBD's which he loves, so I was surprised he binned off the Geoffrey Scott's.

 

#18 2021-12-08 09:18:27

A Fine Sadness
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Re: The "Geoffrey Scott" OCBD -

I almost bought one about three weeks ago from an American Ebay seller (who would have been highly annoyed with me for cancelling the order).  The shirt itself was probably no more than $9 - nice enough but poly/cotton.  Shipping and customs were pushing the price too high. 
I once saw something marked 'Jeffrey Scott', which confused me. 
A New Year's resolution is to overlook these things, including, now, Enro and Haspel.  If I'm going to buy in the US it really should be Makers.

 

#19 2021-12-21 04:43:08

A Fine Sadness
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Re: The "Geoffrey Scott" OCBD -

There are a couple going for next to nothing on Ebay.  No international shipping is offered, however.

 

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