- the way the word blazer is now applied to any separate lapelled jacket. It irritates me beyond belief. The corduroy Vetra jacket I bought today - labelled, by Vetra, as a 'blazer'. No it isn't ! A blazer has brass buttons and is normally navy. In the US they used to call these sports jackets, in the UK they were just called 'jackets' or perhaps even odd jackets.
- the only shoes you'd go sockless with would be loafers, sneakers or boat shoes, ie. casual summer footwear. You would never go barefoot in a brogue!
There must be other examples of infuriating contemporary linguistic distortions and deviations.
Yes! The metal buttons are the all important distinction that makes a jacket a blazer. A sports jacket ought to be something tweedy, that you wear to watch sport (I suppose). Sports coats in the USA.
eBay is the place for erroneous garment nomenclature with jackets often being described as ‘suits’, any shirt you don’t pull over your head is a ‘button up shirt’ and any leather shoe with laces could be called a ‘brogue’.
Agree- to me a blazer AT LEAST needs all 3 pockets as patch, no or a centre vent and metal buttons! (That last one not such a killer )
I assume we're talking about 'The Blue Wale': 'limited edition'. Very nice, too.
The OED is somewhat flaccid in its definition of a 'blazer' (which I think is a French word, so Vetra may think they're onto something), but I always assumed they had metal buttons (with the possible exception of what we were obliged to wear at my grammar school, which would have been plastic). I remember pissing off someone on here years ago by saying I didn't like them with brass buttons. I still don't. A restrained grey would have been my option. In fact, I've only owned one, quite a long time ago, not 'Ivy League', more 'smart Mod'. It came from Hector Powe and was pretty heavy in its construction. It would not pass muster here. I went over, rather briskly, to 'jackets'. Don't even wear those now, favouring raincoats instead. I could amass quite a collection if I so desired. But I don't.
Broadly speaking, Woof is right about Ebay, but some good sellers are still hard at it. For example, the American who sent over a beautiful Makers shirt in that blue I adore just a few weeks ago. Worked out at £45 including shipping and customs. Smelled great, neatly folded, everything.
Others are just cretins and the opportunities for double-dealing and dishonesty remain.
I also object to John Simons' good name being used to peddle Mod/Skinhead/Merc/Oi Polloi type rubbish.
Merc. I went in there a few times in the mid to late 1980s when it was a popular far right hang out. (It was also popular with mods and non-racist skins of course.) Then BBC undercover reporters exposed them for selling under the counter banned videos by a certain neo Nazi band.
Years later I went back (although a different location) when the Britpop thing had made mod cool again, and, unsurprisingly, they had completely reinvented themselves.
Arseholes.
The Merc logo alone is enough to put me off their products.Their clothes don't appear 'authentic' and I assume they are not made in UK but some sweat shop overseas. It's a no from me.
I have bought quite a lot from Oi Polloi in the past. Only sale items and a few bargains. Generally good quality products.
Nothing against those people per se. I just think it's wrong for Ebay sellers to use the man's name for their own money-making ends. After all, what does he get out of it? After all, he's probably not a rich man, whereas an old acquaintance of mine is a millionaire many times over after founding two mass market brands. I know which I prefer: Simons The Visionary.
I see what you mean with eBay descriptions but I suspect few people get rich being an eBay seller.
I hope so, Robbie, I hope so. Still, when I got my putative son-in-law selling a few years back he was able to pay off some of his credit card debts. And we paid for a new boiler and garden fence. Not clothing, though - lots of Silver Age comic books and the assorted Americana I'd amassed as a rather strange middle-aged man... Anyone who ever dug those adverts for X-Ray Specs and Rocky And Bullwinkle chomping on Tootsie-Roll will know exactly what I mean...
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Merc were indeed the masters of reinvention. I used to receive their mail out 'catalogues'. The first few I had - when they were mainly going for 'mod' sales - they were proudly established since 1964. During a short lived, mini Ska revival (around '89) they were proudly established since 1969! During Brit pop times they seemed to plump for 1967 for some reason.
I visited their Carnaby St shop a few times, and at the end all that was on offer was a raft of (presumably snide) Londsdale and band T shirts. Along with very under par, overpriced harringtons
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Masters of reinvention indeed. I bet one thing they forget to mention is that they used to be a top spot for neo Nazis. Needless to say, anyone who looked like they were ethnic minority or possibly homosexual who happened to visit Carnaby St at that time suffered a high risk of being assaulted.
I think I had some of their trousers once. Plus a Roberto Someone polo shirt that was probably all plastic.
Roberto Carlo. Very popular with a certain crowd at a certain time. Never to be worn near a naked flame.
Merc I’m sure catered to a few with undesirable tastes. Although I believe it was ‘Cutdown’ round the corner that were ‘outed’ for their under the table sales. If I remember rightly they were actually picketed by the ANL etc?
It was Merc that appeared on the BBC series Reportage with undercover camera footage of them selling an illegal video. I distinctly remember it as I'd been in a few weeks previously (whilst on a school trip) and had noticed that a large proportion of the clientele were far right. Ironically I believe the owner is from India (or the Indian Subcontinent) and the gent who worked there at the time selling records and fanzines was Chinese.
This was 1988 or maybe 89. When they were in one of the side streets (I think opposite Sherry's, which is probably still there).
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'Mod' shop I used to pop into (mostly to lust after the owner, with her wonderful Cathy McGowan hairdo) was directly opposite a pub much frequented by neo-Nazi types. There were bonehead exchange visits so poor Julie found herself selling lots of Lambretta and FP clothing to aggressive young men she despised. The shop closed and became a Polish food store. The boneheads were eventually told they were unwelcome.
Those shops around Carnaby certainly attracted more than their fair share of that type. It must have been an uneasy arrangement with the boneheads being forced to buy Skrewdriver records under the counter from those guys. And those guys having to ‘stock’ that sort of material, probably to make up for lost sales as other customers came to the realisation that the clothes they sold were complete tat.
Irony of ironies, Carnaby St originally attracted a mod clientele in the early 1960s because it was where the gay-friendly men's clothes shops were i.e. selling flamboyant attire that was only of interest to gays but was then picked up on by mods.
Agreed. I dropped into the street for the first time in twenty odd years the other week and even though I wouldn’t say it came anywhere even close to a shadow of it’s former self, what was missing was the air of general menace that hung around in the late 80’s/ 90’s. Although there was nothing of interest to me there, it was a happy place and people seemed to be enjoying it!
I went there for the first and last time in 1967. Bobble hat and quilted anorak. London was still Swinging then.
Back to the subject. I'm becoming tempted again by plaid, even Madras, jackets. Sport coats, right? (Or sport coats, wrong?). The last time I wore anything like that was circa 2009: cotton Madras, teamed with a white Brooks shirt, jeans and loafers. No socks. Heads turned in the local Co-Op.
A few years ago there were RL cotton madras, 3/2 roll, I think very slightly waisted (if at all) jackets turning up in TK MAXX. I watched prices tumble from from £100 to around £30. Tried them on a few times, and realised I’d probably never actually wear one. I probably still wouldn’t - but do regret not owning one.
On another visit I did pick up a lovely Pendleton gun club. Virgin wool. Two button but very slightly waisted and great lapels. Was on clearance for £14!
Looking at jackets/blazers/sport coats/what you will last night on Ebay (both UK and US sites). Amazing how cheap some are, exactly like in the 'vintage' shops I sometimes wander into. A lot of uninteresting (to my eyes) darted Harris tweed. I had a brief phase of delirium when I almost pressed the button on a Woolrich madras jacket - not too loud but loud enough if you catch my drift. Then I looked at glen plaid and wondered.
I'm not surprised TKMaxx was finding few takers. Buy one - as I once did - and it'll probably get fewer outings than a restrained seersucker. Even they can be eyecatching in England, especially if worn with white or saddle bucks.
Still pondering this one. Those darts, though. Not nice.
S- I actually bought a couple of RL jackets at TKMaxx a few years ago. I keep going back to the shop, not buying them, until the price dropped to £24 and £30 and I couldn't resist buying them. They had all the correct details 3/2 roll etc. except for 4 (not 2) working buttons on the sleeve. 100% cotton. RRP was in the £100s. The only problem was they were in salmon pink and bright green colours.I never wore them even though the wife said I might pull it of on a bright summer's day strolling along the seafront. During a 10 day quarantine this summer I dyed them a wine colour and an olive colour. They came out looking good but I've still only worn each jacket once.