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#76 2021-12-12 12:39:12

AlveySinger
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Re: New In At Chiltern Street...

I think the Diskery may still be there.

We used to have an amazing independent Jazz specialist simply called The Record Center -Jazz and Swing. (Hey, we're Brummies and are known for straight speaking).

What was so special about the shop was it was on two floors each with a specialism. On the ground floor it was straight jazz, mainly small groups. But on the second floor was where it got really interesting. It had a main focus on singers and especially Sinatra. The owner Ray Pursloe was a leading light in the Sinatra Music Association and always kept a wide range of the masters work together with similar artists. You would always find imports of long out of print in the UK albums and small indie pressings from artists like Dick Haymes, Jo Stafford, Tony Bennett.

He would also stock new, young vocalists such Norah Jones and Diane Krall before I had ever heard of either of them. Some of the newer artists may only record one album but he would  carry them. He once told me that there were loads of new "girl singers" out there and that he was almost being over run by record companies reps trying to get them listed. I was a weekly visitor and rarely left without some treasure.

Judy Rafat, Jamie Davis, Carol Sloane were all artists I learnt about from Ray.

I quickly got an appreciation of the differences between  jazz singers and the cabarat/musical/nostalgia singers. On first viewing the album sleeves there can a massive similarity between how the bands are trio structured and the song titles. Some singers like Mary Cleer Haran I grew to appreciate.

On the second floor was also big bands and some orchestral stuff. Most of it not for me but I was introduced to the magnificent Gerald Wilson through Ray.

Ray was also good at securing out of print albums through established customers downsizing their collections. He managed to get a couple of rare Mel Torme albums for me this way.

 

#77 2021-12-12 12:51:57

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Ray was someone, I'm pretty sure, my Dad would mention.  Birmingham was definitely a favourite destination, but a shop opened in Burton-Upon-Trent around 1990, so that was probably visited.  He bought a lot of Japanese imports circa 1974-5 and plenty from Peter Russell.  There were trips to London, too.  Charing Cross Road, I think.  Tower in NYC?  Finally, not long before he died, he was getting me to order online stuff from the USA.  Oh, and then there was the 'Music Inn' in Nottingham, where Eric Rose was well into Kenton and Big Band and didn't really like jazz.  Last thing we did together, on a Wednesday lunchtime, was look over some CDs.  He said he'd go back the following week.  Died at the weekend.

 

#78 2021-12-12 12:53:07

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Re: New In At Chiltern Street...

I'd say he was collecting from around 1950 to 2012.

 

#79 2021-12-12 13:03:34

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Tower on Broadway was superb.  I bet your Dad loved it. The volume they carried was amazing.
Behind the main store for a while they owned a cut-outs store. It was ridiculously cheap. Albums for a couple of dollars.

There was also a great record store called J&R in Manhattan he no doubt would of discovered. It was a strange set up. They owned several adjacent buildings in a side street down town. A shop selling cameras, a shop selling high end audio equipment and a really large record store.
One day I was in their browsing through the jazz section and  group of musicians started playing on makeshift stage in the back of the store. It was Ray Brown's trio promoting their new album. Only in New York!

On the vocal jazz front there was a small specialist called Footlights situated on 12st not far from The Strand Book store. Unfortunately as with J&R that is no longer with us.

 

#80 2021-12-12 13:44:59

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I went to Music Inn (Nottingham) in 2 different locations. The second may still be there. Around 1997 I was visiting Nottingham for a few days, popped in and got the Mississippi John Hurt comp with his recordings from when he was young. Incredible stuff. It remains one of my favourite albums.

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#81 2021-12-12 14:01:37

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Judging from its website, Music Inn is now a big musical instrument shop on Alfreton Rd and doesn't appear to sell records any more. Probably wise.


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#82 2021-12-12 15:10:13

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I think the 'Music Inn' is still in West End Arcade, run by Eric's son, David. 

My Dad loved Tower.  I remember all those cut-outs coming home as his baggage allowance.

 

#83 2021-12-12 15:30:22

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Come to think of it, David must now be in his mid-seventies.  I was buying CDs in there twelve and more years ago and he'd certainly got a few years on me.  Nice guy, though, and often had good sales bargains.

 

#84 2021-12-13 08:37:55

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Without wanting to offend anyone here: I have had the experience that 100% of people who consider neoliberalism to be the root of all evil cannot even define the term correctly.

 

#85 2021-12-13 09:12:10

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I wouldn't say neoliberalism is the root of all evil but it has certainly been a dangerous experiment with disastrous consequences. At the same time, a few people have done very well out of it.

As for defining it: it has a number of specific characteristics although there's no universally agreed 'correct definition'.


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#86 2021-12-13 09:33:36

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From cashmere scarves to neoliberalism - all in a single thread.  That's 'Talk Ivy' for you.

 

#87 2021-12-13 11:14:22

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Yuca: I wouldn't say neoliberalism is the root of all evil but it has certainly been a dangerous experiment with disastrous consequences. At the same time, a few people have done very well out of it.

As for defining it: it has a number of specific characteristics although there's no universally agreed 'correct definition'.

It doesn't really fit if you write correctly, there is not only a correct definition, but at the same time you type: "I wouldn't say neoliberalism is the root of all evil but it has certainly been a dangerous experiment with disastrous consequences."

It bothers me In general, that certain words (Such as neoliberalism, but also capitalism.) are simplified to political slogans with no content. If you criticize these things, you have to clearly explain how you define them and what exactly you are criticizing about them. Everything else is intellectually boring.

 

#88 2021-12-13 11:20:57

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The idea that neoliberalism (or capitalism for that matter) is a 'political slogan with no content' doesn't add up. It's not like it means different things to different people or is a misused term.

'If you criticize these things, you have to clearly explain how you define them and what exactly you are criticizing about them. Everything else is intellectually boring.'

Why do I have to define something if I criticize it? If I'm reading something and see a word I don't know I generally look it up in the dictionary or, in the case of a term like this, search online. Anyone reading what I write is free to do the same. And I have already been specific about aspects of neoliberalism that I detest (yesterday but I can't recall if it was in this thread) and their impact.

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#89 2021-12-13 11:28:55

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A quick glance at a search engine shows although the fine details of neoliberalism are debateable, its general characteristics are easily summarised:


a political approach that favours free-market capitalism, deregulation, and reduction in government spending.


neoliberalism, ideology and policy model that emphasizes the value of free market competition. Although there is considerable debate as to the defining features of neoliberal thought and practice, it is most commonly associated with laissez-faire economics. In particular, neoliberalism is often characterized in terms of its belief in sustained economic growth as the means to achieve human progress, its confidence in free markets as the most-efficient allocation of resources, its emphasis on minimal state intervention in economic and social affairs, and its commitment to the freedom of trade and capital.


The policies of neoliberalism typically supports fiscal austerity, deregulation, free trade, privatization, and a reduction in government spending.
Neoliberalism is often associated with the economic policies of Margaret Thatcher in the United Kingdom and Ronald Reagan in the United States.
There are many criticisms of neoliberalism, including its tendency to endanger democracy, workers’ rights, and sovereign nations’ right to self-determination.


Neoliberalism, or neo-liberalism is a term used to describe the 20th-century resurgence of 19th-century ideas associated with free-market capitalism. A significant factor in the rise of conservative and libertarian organizations, political parties, and think tanks, and predominately advocated by them, it is generally associated with policies of economic liberalization, including privatization, deregulation, globalization, free trade, austerity and reductions in government spending in order to increase the role of the private sector in the economy and society;

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#90 2021-12-13 11:40:45

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Good.  But does it have a natural shoulder?

 

#91 2021-12-13 12:08:30

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No it has a very large padded shoulder, and underneath red braces.


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#92 2021-12-13 12:10:32

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Re: New In At Chiltern Street...

And it's most definitely not union made.


some sort of banal legitimacy

 

#93 2021-12-13 12:13:15

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Re: New In At Chiltern Street...

Scab Ivy.

 

#94 2021-12-13 12:54:26

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Re: New In At Chiltern Street...

Yuca has certainly gone to a fair amount of trouble there.  There seems to be (once again) a kind of 'scissors effect' taking place in the UK (possibly affecting London the most, and the south-east), where real wages are not keeping pace with rising house prices.  A hefty dose of inflation is probably on the cards because of QE and furlough (and other) payments.  Does anyone remember when a dustman (pardon me, a refuse operative) actually earned more money than a secondary school teacher?

 

#95 2021-12-13 13:35:53

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I just looked at the title of the topic and thought it would be worth mentioning the lovely Vetra jacket I just purchased from Chiltern Street.
I'm not really a fan of their chore jackets and prefer their blazer offerings that I find superb.
On a recent trip down to that London ( as someone on Harry Enfield called it) I was shown a Curly-Wurly jacket.
It's a cross between a thick cardigan and a trad Vetra chore. The clincher was the soft but chunky fabric. Whilst not exactly Ivy it really is most comfortable.
I envision wearing it with cords or moleskin trousers and some chuck boots.
A lovely bit of schmatter.

 

#96 2021-12-13 13:48:14

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Re: New In At Chiltern Street...

Yuca: The idea that neoliberalism (or capitalism for that matter) is a 'political slogan with no content' doesn't add up. It's not like it means different things to different people or is a misused term.

I did not write that neoliberalism is basically a slogan with no content. I wrote that it often degenerates into one because very few people can even explain it. And of course different people understand different (often wrong) things by it. You can only seriously discuss it if you either agree on a definition, or at least everyone explains what they mean by it.

 

#97 2021-12-13 17:04:04

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Yuca - I appreciated the clarity of the definition of neoliberalism. I believe the political shifts in the UK and USA since 79/80 have destroyed the national character of both countries. Neoliberalism has shifted the national consciousness, moved the centreground much further to the right, thus shaping the whole political culture. That plus the arrival of internet has ravaged the old ways, across the classes, and the generations.

 

#98 2021-12-14 00:49:52

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The answer, of course, is to abolish the electorate of each country that has what is often called democracy and create a new one.  Out of thin air if necessary.  Meanwhile, try persuading the consumer that that new ipad/flat screen TV/new car/whatever isn't really necessary to their well-being.  Try interfering in existing markets i.e. the distribution of goodies and see what the consequences turn out to be.  Of course, we could always run car boots, Soviet-style, trading home-distilled vodka for Pink Floyd records.

 

#99 2021-12-14 00:50:20

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Re: New In At Chiltern Street...

The Brooks Makers shirt is a microcosm of the effects of neoliberalism.


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#100 2021-12-14 00:52:08

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Re: New In At Chiltern Street...

Mine are cotton.

 

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