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#26 2022-01-08 01:13:28

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Re: NY Times Review of Jason Jules New Book

^ Agree with Colin.
I'll probably buy this sooner or later, if only for the photographs.  I'd appreciate seeing more of ordinary black men going about their business, rather less of Miles and co.

 

#27 2022-01-08 03:45:49

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Re: NY Times Review of Jason Jules New Book

From my design perspective I think that shot was chosen for stand out on the shelf.

It is both impactful and bold in colour, which would distinguish itself whereas a busier or more subtle colour image would not.

 

#28 2022-01-08 03:47:43

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Re: NY Times Review of Jason Jules New Book

^ Yes, I can see that from a design/selling point perspective.

 

#29 2022-01-08 03:49:30

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Re: NY Times Review of Jason Jules New Book

(Possibly not unlike, say, having that famous shot of Marilyn Monroe in 'The Seven Year Itch' or Brando in 'The Wild One' on a cover).

 

#30 2022-01-08 04:08:17

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Re: NY Times Review of Jason Jules New Book

It's also one hell of a shirt. And a classic photo that really encapsulates the content (I assume) of the book.

Apart from that, yes it's terrible.


some sort of banal legitimacy

 

#31 2022-01-08 04:25:02

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Re: NY Times Review of Jason Jules New Book

I didn't say - or make out - that it's terrible, simply rather banal.  But Tom's posting makes perfect sense from a sales point of view.

 

#32 2022-01-08 04:33:42

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Re: NY Times Review of Jason Jules New Book

Even from an aesthetic perspective, to me it makes perfect sense.

What I find strange is that that shirt meets universal approval when discussed by ivy fans online, yet throughout the boom years and beyond, a green ocbd appears to have been a very rare choice. (Judging by the number of times it's seen in photos/film and its rarity on the vintage market.)


some sort of banal legitimacy

 

#33 2022-01-08 04:42:37

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Re: NY Times Review of Jason Jules New Book

I used to have something very much like it by Fruit Of The Loom.  Only button-down of theirs I've ever owned.

 

#34 2022-01-08 04:49:18

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Re: NY Times Review of Jason Jules New Book

A green brooks makers is one of my favourites - but actually not that easy to wear, to be honest....doesn't always look right under a shetland, like say, white, blue or white/blue uni stripe

 

#35 2022-01-08 04:55:23

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Re: NY Times Review of Jason Jules New Book

I believe Brooks did a green candy stripe.  Never seen one, though.

 

#36 2022-01-08 05:06:08

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Re: NY Times Review of Jason Jules New Book

The thought of a green candy stripe Makers makes my mouth water.


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#37 2022-01-08 05:07:25

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Re: NY Times Review of Jason Jules New Book

Mine, too.  I think JFM said they were a rarity.  Red candy stripe I saw recently on Ebay Com.  Yellow I've worn.

 

#38 2022-01-08 05:09:03

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Re: NY Times Review of Jason Jules New Book

Yes, indeed.  Green would be highly desirable.  Makers?

 

#39 2022-01-08 05:21:20

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Re: NY Times Review of Jason Jules New Book

I've just remembered, I also had a Brooks shirt - a Makers I'd guess - around twelve-plus years ago, in dark green.  I'd have worn it with those Levis chinos I liked so much.  Not much else.

 

#40 2022-01-08 06:55:19

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Re: NY Times Review of Jason Jules New Book

Colin has hit the nail on the head. -the solid green OCBD is actually quite difficult to wear. It’s held up as a grail item because of that album cover and because it’s a rarity. If I had one I suspect it would languish in the wardrobe along with the other never worn things that I can’t quite bring myself to get rid of.

For the second time of mentioning this week: Jack Nicholson wore a green shirt under a purple suit when playing the Joker in Batman.

But a a candy stripe green/white shirt looks terrific under a grey suit or jacket with a suitable tie.


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#41 2022-01-08 07:07:06

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Re: NY Times Review of Jason Jules New Book

I'll get clobbered for saying this but, years and years ago, Ben Sherman put out a button-down that was close in colour to the one Miles wore.  But not quite.  My Fruit Of The Loom was probably a little closer. 
An inexpensive mistake, quite recently, was a green and white striped Ralph Lauren.  I just couldn't decide what I might wear it with.  It's gone.

 

#42 2022-01-08 08:00:19

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Re: NY Times Review of Jason Jules New Book

I have a green Makers and I don’t wear it that often. Hard color for this Semite.

 

#43 2022-01-08 12:28:52

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Re: NY Times Review of Jason Jules New Book

My copy arrived this week due to a delay in posting. I haven't had much of an opportunity to look through it so these are just first impressions.

As with anything GM art directs, and from a professional perspective, it's beautifully presented. There's plenty of great imagery. Some of the shots I wasn't familiar with. There is specific Miles Davis shot that I thought I knew well but the book highlights a lot more of the detail.

I appreciate it's an image-led book and that some people will want more commentary to accompany the shots. Also that the title means there's constraints on the imagery used.

I would recommend it as a worthy edition to the Ivy library.

 

#44 2022-01-09 04:12:55

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Re: NY Times Review of Jason Jules New Book

Marsh seems to have rather cornered the market as regards this kind of enterprise: to a slightly tedious extent.

 

#45 2022-01-09 04:40:12

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Re: NY Times Review of Jason Jules New Book

You have to remember he's been doing this for a long time now, he's not some "Johnny Come Lately" bandwagon jumper like we see a lot of on social media these days. As I've said previously, I won't be buying the book, although I would be interested in Alvey's opinion on it. Is there anything new or are we seeing a lot of re-cycled images from Hollywood & Ivy and Jazz Festival.

 

#46 2022-01-09 05:03:23

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Re: NY Times Review of Jason Jules New Book

I’d say there are some great elements to the book, including where the work wear look fed into the look of that era and why, the political element a great photo of James Meredith on his great walk.

The photos of Arthur Ashe on the subway, Virginius Thornton and the Frye Brothers in the civil rights section.

Obviously some well know shots, but not many and most look pretty new to me around education etc, it is of course a coffee table book and not a theorised tomb on the subject but does contextualise the photography

 

#47 2022-01-09 07:53:29

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Re: NY Times Review of Jason Jules New Book

'Marsh seems to have rather cornered the market as regards this kind of enterprise: to a slightly tedious extent.'

He's done 3 books in a decade hasn't he? Hardly Rocky XII.

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some sort of banal legitimacy

 

#48 2022-01-09 10:47:24

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Re: NY Times Review of Jason Jules New Book

A few years ago I picked up one of those Gant Co Op reissues in green. It’s incredibly difficult to put with anything. Which I really wasn’t expecting. Looks good with indigo jeans and white CVOs. That’s about it. Every so often I pull it out and decide it’s worth another try - then back it goes.
I’ve got a white RL with green stripes, and old Tommy and Lands End green candies. They get worn a lot more. I’m waiting to come across a green gingham and don’t imagine I’ll have trouble pairing that.
That solid green though. Must be near the top of every Ivyist’s wants list. Then you get one and can’t do much with it!

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#49 2022-01-09 12:14:37

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Re: NY Times Review of Jason Jules New Book

Quite a while back I was looking at the "Miles Green" from Kamakura's vintage Ivy range and more recently Jakes, but after reading a few reviews on here my opinion has changed.

 

#50 2022-01-10 02:53:11

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Re: NY Times Review of Jason Jules New Book

As for the original, when was the photograph taken?  Where might the shirt have come from?  We assume it was from some swanky Madison Avenue store but it might just as well have been from 'Morty's Clothing Closet' in Scranton or Palookaville.

 

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