So what unites us is that none of us want to live in Spain?
And a meet up would not happen in Spoons but in an Italian Cafe where we sit at different tables eyeing up each others footwear.
I'd happily live in a small city like Gerona - if I could speak the language and fully appreciate their culture.
The people we bought our house from emigrated and lived on an English-style housing estate with an English-style pub at the centre of it, serving up roast beef and mashed potatoes etc.
I enjoyed Barcelona - until I encountered the arrogant, whining bastards from all points of the compass in England: the lout who wanted to sell me a piece of glass that was too big to be carried: 'Well, it's your loss, mate' when I turned him down. I bought a nice book on Alvar Aalto from a Catalan stallholder instead. Then, at the airport, the Brits turned up, bellyaching as usual because the flight was delayed. They should learn to stay in Skegness or Blackpool.
‘And a meet up would not happen in Spoons but in an Italian Cafe where we sit at different tables eyeing up each others footwear.’
Compromise and go for an old school Italian Formica caff offering builders tea.
Most have now gone. Andrews in the Grays Inn Road seems to have been recently gutted and the Calthorpe Arms pub further up the road has changed hands and will never be the same.
http://www.classiccafes.co.uk/index.html
Moribundia can be just as enjoyable as optimism.
I'm rather with Kingers on this. I used to love a good caff. One of my favourites was 'Hollies' in Nottingham, now closed down and probably a Starbucks or something equally vile. The interior was about the size of a small Victorian market hall. It did a roaring trade in poached eggs on toast to the old ladies drifting in from the suburbs to do their bit of shopping. Coffee, though, was best avoided. Small towns around me still have their traditional caffs, often run by nice, hardworking Cypriots. Not much use to me at the moment, though, as I pursue my low-fat diet.
People in Derby still talk about the old Kardomah: the enticing aroma of coffee beans.
Never been near a Costa or a Starbucks in my life.
'I'd happily live in a small city like Gerona - if I could speak the language and fully appreciate their culture.'
That's where I'd be. Fantastic place. And still proud of their anti Franco opposition. I suspect you'd have to learn to avoid the hoards of 'Game of Thrones' spotters too though.
Great place, S - that market hall of theirs, entirely given over to superb food and drink - so unlike ours, sad and often half empty.
I love Victorian market halls and shopping arcades. Places like Leeds still had them when I was a child. Councils short-sightedly went about destroying them or renovating the life out of them. I adored the market hall at Longton when I was an undergraduate. Probably unrecognisable now.
I visited Gerona upon our Gibson's recommendation. Would love to go back.
Mark Toney in Grainger Street Newcastle is a fantastic place. Not all shabby or run down though. Great breakfast. Then you can walk down the road and have a pint in Woof’s 4 storey Wetherspoon, opposite the railway station. Hash browns are a reason to avoid Spoons breakfast; though surprisingly Wetherspoons Eggs Benedict is very good.
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/mark-toney-boss-explains-decision-20717018
Come to think of it, I wish I'd stayed in Gerona and not bothered with Barcelona. But I got it into my head I wanted to see those bloody sculptures. I failed to do so. I should have caught the train back and simply sat in one of those squares drinking freshly-squeezed orange juice.
People in Derby still talk about the old Kardomah: the enticing aroma of coffee beans.
The old Harrington shop in Guildford was down a narrow passage way, at the top of the cobbled High St. The shop that was at the top of the passage way was a coffee importers where they would roast all the coffee beans, the smell was amazing. Weirdly I associate that smell with Ivy league clothes and shoes. Unfortunately the coffee importers has long gone, last tenants were a chain of Barbers, it's now empty.
Ah, it was a marvellous place, R. I can still recreate that smell, even though the place closed more than forty years ago. Absolutely Proustian.
I think Liverpool also had a Kardomah. Maybe, like Lyons and ABC, it was a chain.
Yes Runninggeez. I still miss that smell whenever I wander up that way. If the wind was in the right direction it’d fill up the whole High Street. You’d get a caffeine hit long before you reached the wonderfully named ‘Jeffries Passage’
I do miss the old shop in Jeffries Passage. Bulls Head for a couple of pints and a pub lunch, followed by a wander up the High St taking in the aroma of the coffee beans roasting, then down the passageway to Harrington's for a spend up, great days.
AFS (and anyone else): next time you're in Beeston try The DoughMother, Central Ave. A Greek caff, admittedly a bit out of the way. Their bread and pastries are excellent and the coffee is decent. Seems to be very popular. Well worth the journey (by foot in my case) to an otherwise unremarkable council estate.
If I can work out a way to live in the Canaries I may well do so. It's the only part of Spain I am aware of that has a strong Latin American influence. Also I think the climate would be far more beneficial for me than the UK's. Needless to say, I would go with no interest in meeting Brits or going to the parts where Brits are common.
I've never actually been though so I don't know if that is feasible. But certainly a lot easier than returning to LA (Latin America). When I was in LA I made a point of living somewhere (the south of Cali) where foreigners were extremely rare. One of the things I loved about the place.
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I'd like to try that place in Beeston. I don't know if it's still there, as I rarely venture into dismal, depressing Derby, but there was a good Greek cafe in the market. Order Greek coffee and they seemed delighted. It took a while to prepare but was worth it.
Living near the English is bad enough in England let alone Spain. Mind you, the people who populated the hotel I stayed in near Gerona did a good deal of yelling at one another. A highlight of one afternoon was reading Philip Roth while a couple shagged noisily in the next room.
Maybe they wouldn't have been so noisy if you hadn't insisted on reading it aloud.
Carwardines had a chain of coffee shops in the West of England, I think there are still half a dozen left but at one time all the larger towns had one, they had the roasting machines in the windows with the drums rolling around emitting smoke and, as has been said, the smell filled up the nearby the street. Inside you could have a cup of coffee or buy freshly roasted beans to use at home.
You would love the place in Beeston. Being off the beaten track the prices aren't extortionate and it really does attract a wide variety of people. Their bread is the best I've had since my return to England. By a long shot.
Lots of Cubans have ancestors who came from the Canary Islands. One showed us around the tobacco country near Vinales.
So one uniting factor for some Ivyists is a dislike of your fellow countrymen ?
I think that is not unique. Others who consider themselves ‘travellers’ rather than tourists are often like this.
I have plenty of friends and family who are Brits. I just find the country a little oppressive and not really my cup of tea. When I am overseas I often enjoy the company of Brits and other non-locals when in small amounts. After settling into the tropics I did on a number of occasions help tourists - from all over the globe - with advice and sometimes by showing them around. At the same time, I also enjoyed spending most of my time amongst the locals. When in Rome . . .
Tenerife - takes an hour to drive from one end of the island to another and any time you want to go anywhere it’s by plane. I think the UK is about the smallest size island I would entertain.
'Lots of Cubans have ancestors who came from the Canary Islands.'
Likewise Puerto Ricans. Hence the way Spanish is spoken in the Canaries is very similar to that of Cuba and PR. (Probably true for the Dominican Republic too.)
Great reminisces RG.
Brazilian musicians talk about saudade. Roughly translates to a nostalgic longing. Maybe that is part of the essence of what unites us. The disappearance of great independents, the growth of faceless chains, the sad state of the high street be it in Guilford, Derby or the cradle of civilisation - Birmingham.
There's one thing you should never miss in Derby: the train that takes you out of the place. Ian Nairn looked it over in 1967 and declared it a mess. It's main problem is its fraught relationship with Nottingham, which it both envies and despises. Try attending a Derby-Forest match and you'll soon find out.