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#126 2022-01-19 08:53:22

Kingston1an
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Swiss Cottage library and the adjacent swimming pools.

Sadly a lot of indoor pools from that era are now being closed due to the cost of running them.


"Florid, smug, middle-aged golf club bore in this country I'd say. Propping up the 19th hole in deepest Surrey bemoaning the perils of immigration."

 

#127 2022-01-19 08:58:41

Kingston1an
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Brunswick Centre Bloomsbury. Building commenced in late 60s.

Often features in films.


"Florid, smug, middle-aged golf club bore in this country I'd say. Propping up the 19th hole in deepest Surrey bemoaning the perils of immigration."

 

#128 2022-01-19 10:44:58

woofboxer
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Turning the clock back 10 yrs to the 1950s. Plymouth city centre, having earlier been totally destroyed in one night by the Luftwaffe, was rebuilt from scratch in a modernist style with wide boulevards and some striking landmark buildings. With its proximity to the sea it is a genuinely uplifting place to visit. A ghastly post modernist shopping centre has detracted from it but the central core and its original vision remains.

https://amp.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2019/nov/16/plymouth-city-centre-designated-conservation-area


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#129 2022-01-23 02:33:34

Hard Bop Hank
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My “Anglophilia??  is almost as strong as my love for all things American, French and Italian. For me Germany seems narrow, ugly, hostile, xenophobic and provincial. In my eyes the English or Brits in general are much more liberal, open minded, polite and friendly than my “compatriots??  (being quite “Antigerman??  I struggle to use that word).

I think I get what TRS is on about when he complains about pub culture and the pub mentality, though. The pub - as a macho environment - is not unknown over here, too, even young men standing at the bar rather than sitting down. It used to be a male only environment over here as well, and I still remember this from the villages during the 1980s: Few women would join their men to the pub. Not that they weren’t allowed inside but men drinking or playing cards was boring for most women, so they would stay at home. Well, I get why the pub as an institution is thought of as pretty square - compared to a coffee bar with room for the individual reading a paper or writing an essay, or compared to some night club or dance hall with DJs and live acts….but as all these institutions are being threatened by META/ Facebook/ IG/ Next Life and Hygiene politics I also get defending the pub as a social institution.

RE: Just clothes - Well, no, they are never just clothes…. It was always just a lazy answer to the pompous iGents who would confuse their button down shirts and their old loafers with the membership cards to some WASP clubs and waffle about the sports coats gifted to them by their sainted pa, when they had just found some funky old Tweed sack in a thrift shop…


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”All political art is bad – all good art is political.”
"Would there be any freedom of press or speech if one must reduce his vocabulary to vapid innocuous euphemisms?"

 

#130 2022-01-24 05:06:22

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Hypermarché - Novembre

"D'abord j'ai trébuché dans un congélateur.
Je me suis mis ?  pleurer et j'avais un peu peur.
Quelqu'un a grommelé que je cassais l'ambiance;
Pour avoir l'air normal j'ai repris mon avance.

Des banlieusards sapés et au regard brutal
Se croisaient lentement près des eaux minérales.
Une rumeur de cirque et de demi-débauche
Montait des rayonnages.
Ma démarche était gauche.

Je me suis écroulé au rayon des fromages ;

Il y avait deux vieilles dames qui portaient des sardines.

La première se retourne et dit ?  sa voisine :

«C'est bien triste, quand même, un garçon de cet âge. »

Et puis j'ai vu des pieds circonspects et très larges ;
Il y avait un vendeur qui prenait des mesures.
Beaucoup semblaient surpris par mes nouvelles chaussures;
Pour la dernière fois j'étais un peu en marge."


Is that a popped collar or are you just happy to see me?

 

#131 2022-01-24 05:16:05

AFS
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Gosh, it must be bad indeed in Germany.  I must ask my daughter's chum, who is from Saxony, what she makes of it all.  Her father was apparently a great Anglophile and she's inherited this fondness for England.  Currently resides in TRSs home city, in a run-down flat.  Nice girl but full of complexes. 
England is friendly and liberal, is it?  What about a city like Hamburg? 
My putative son-in-law's father is half German (his late mother) and has zero interest in the country, although he still has a brother in Leipzig.  'Tom' identifies as wholly English, having lived here from the age of seven. 
I've liked most Germans I've ever met.  They often have a pretty deadpan sense of humour.

 

#132 2022-01-24 05:23:15

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I have nothing in common with OP. I like the clothes and that's that.


Is that a popped collar or are you just happy to see me?

 

#133 2022-01-24 06:43:19

Yuca
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'I like the clothes'

And that is, indisputably, one thing we all have in common.

Presumably we all also enjoy a little light discussion around our shared interest.

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some sort of banal legitimacy

 

#134 2022-01-24 08:20:25

Kingston1an
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Good session in the pub on Friday night with hairy fools who drink beer.

I was wearing an Aran sweater, cords and Kleman Padror shoes. So not Ivy, but smarter than the others.

The birthday chap had a ‘Mastodon’ T shirt. They are a popular beat combo who I have never heard of. There was talk of Robin Trower - a guitarist. My eyes glazed over.

One of the company changed the topic to Stax. I am familiar with that, but it is the music of my youth and of nostalgic rather than active interest.

Cycling is another interest of some of the group. I do have a Brompton, bought when there were tax breaks in the ‘cycle to work’ scheme. I used it for exercise during lockdown but I am not a regular cyclist.


"Florid, smug, middle-aged golf club bore in this country I'd say. Propping up the 19th hole in deepest Surrey bemoaning the perils of immigration."

 

#135 2022-01-24 09:10:19

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I was wearing an Aran sweater, cords and Kleman Padror shoes. So not Ivy, but smarter than the others.

Aran sweater nice, my old mum used to knit them for a living, trying to get her to get the knitting needles out of retirement as I want one. During my purge of Ivy League clothing some years back I ditched a lovely John Molloy bought from either The Ivy shop or Harrington in Guildford.

 

#136 2022-01-24 09:43:40

AFS
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^ Seconded.  I picked one up on Ebay just before Christmas, a v-necked, chunky number in a very, very pale grey - and flecked.

 

#137 2022-01-24 09:53:29

Kingston1an
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Aran sweaters as worn by younger Irishmen at Sunday Mass whose wives had coaxed them to switch from navy blue suits.

In the days before Irish London went the way of the Jewish East End (Late 60s early 70s.)

Visited John Molloy shop in Donegal. I have a lightweight cap and a few ties. Also have Donegal tweed jacket bought in Ardara.


"Florid, smug, middle-aged golf club bore in this country I'd say. Propping up the 19th hole in deepest Surrey bemoaning the perils of immigration."

 

#138 2022-01-24 10:02:47

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Kingstonian - I do enjoy your posts. They are constructed in fine, unpredictable, sensible short sentences. You express yourself clearly. I have often thought of you as Conservative. I believe this is unfair on you. Your pub outfit with your hairy friends sounded splendidly square. I hope this has not made your eyes glaze over.

 

#139 2022-01-24 10:06:03

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Actually I have made a mistake in imitating your style. You Kingstonian do not use commas.

And you space out your posts like this. I like this as it makes it easier to read.

I thought you wore Ivy as they did in the late 1960s but as you wear an arran sweater I believe I was mistaken.

 

#140 2022-01-24 10:31:14

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Aran not Arran sweater please.

I do own a whisky cask on the Isle of Arran though. It is a good age now.

Last edited by Kingston1an (2022-01-24 10:33:13)


"Florid, smug, middle-aged golf club bore in this country I'd say. Propping up the 19th hole in deepest Surrey bemoaning the perils of immigration."

 

#141 2022-01-24 13:11:45

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In 1969 we went back to Dublin for a family wedding, after the wedding we spent 4 days in Galway and on the way back to Dublin we stopped at some sort of craft shop in Connemara. My mum bought a load of Aran wool, I remember the wool had its natural oils still on it, a lovely smell. When we got home she knitted me my dad and brother V-neck Aran sweaters.

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#142 2022-01-25 03:24:31

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A poster on DressedWell (who I think should be allowed to retain his anonymity) is talking a good deal of sense about what JFM and others have termed The Look - not only giving emphasis to its (relative) timelessness but also the fact that it allows for subtle changes during the lifetime of an individual.

 

#143 2022-01-25 06:10:41

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The guy who feels a little sorry for us and thinks you're in a sad place? Maybe he thinks you're in Derby rather than Derbyshire.


some sort of banal legitimacy

 

#144 2022-01-25 06:13:49

Yuca
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I think I know the post you are alluding to and I couldn't relate to it at all personally. Nor can I see how it has anything in common with anything you have told us about your taste in clothes. Obviously it works for the poster though, hence I didn't bother to dispute what he wrote.


some sort of banal legitimacy

 

#145 2022-01-25 06:24:47

Yuca
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You mean the guy who likes ivy because you can start with Alden loafers then later upgrade them to bespoke loafers? I must admit when I read that I didn't automatically think of you.


some sort of banal legitimacy

 

#146 2022-01-25 07:17:57

AFS
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If he can afford Alden to begin with, well, as the rap fraternity say, 'Respect'.

'Golf coarse'.  I love it.  Might be an Ebay seller.

 

#147 2022-01-25 07:33:20

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Is it the guy who has been into Ivy for a whole year? I couldn't relate to his 'theoretical' direction of travel,clothes wise, as one gets older.


'I am a closet optimist' Leonard Cohen.

 

#148 2022-01-25 07:44:51

AFS
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^ Yes, an entire year.  It isn't my bag, either - yet it may suit him very well.
I'm wearing the same kind of (if not the actual) shirts in 2022 as I was wearing in 1980 (though I was not then familiar with the phrase 'Ivy League'), so, for me, something of a 'limited pallet'/'stopped clock' thing must be going on.  I can't see that changing.

 

#149 2022-01-25 07:58:13

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Oh, and I also liked that chap's mention of the possibility of pleats.  We've seen Woody Allen and John Simons doing it and I did it myself, around fifteen years ago, wearing a pair of slightly baggy Paul Stuart, Italian-made cords.  I rather miss them.

 

#150 2022-01-27 04:46:04

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Went up to Bloomsbury to see if my Shuron Wayfarers were repairable. Solid American specs at sensible price. Would be better to replace them, but at least I found this out without having to post them to a repair company.

The Brunswick Centre was looking good but too many vacant shops. Hare and Tortoise oriental food place was busy, prices up slightly.

Decided to go for a mooch around. Not flaneur level of pretention;but maybe more observant than Micky Flanagan’s Cockney Walk Abaht.

Lambs Conduit Street still has the Lamb at the North end and a very good Italian restaurant next to it, plus the people’s supermarket. After that there was a lot of change. The caff has gone and the engraver. Grenson shoes now feature. The two tailors are still in business.

Leather Lane is all ‘Street food’ now. Different cuisines and folk queuing to buy it. I suppose they eat it indoors at the workplace or at home. The market used to be a place where you could buy clothes, fruit and veg, CDs etc. All the little Italian caffs are gone - one Turkish place at the north end.

Then went for a pint in a 16th century pub down an alley. Rudgate ruby mild - very nice. Sat down. Unfortunately it was within earshot two chaps. The more pompous of the two was the commodore of his sailing club. He claimed in a loud voice that the cards were stacked against him because he was a ‘privately educated, Oxbridge, white heterosexual’. Despite all this, he gave details of how he talked himself into a partnership at another solicitors. The younger chap was all ears.

I would have liked another beer but this conversation would ruin the taste. Decided to head home. Stopped off in Clapham Spoons for a pint of London Porter at half the price. Conversation was a couple of harmless old biddies who were not trying to impress anyone.


"Florid, smug, middle-aged golf club bore in this country I'd say. Propping up the 19th hole in deepest Surrey bemoaning the perils of immigration."

 

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