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#1 2022-03-03 03:07:04

Kingston1an
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The Spy Who Came In From The Cold

“He had a utilitarian approach to clothes, as he did to most other things, even the spectacles he occasionally wore had steel rims. Most of his suits were of artificial fibre, none of them had waistcoats. He favoured shirts of the American kind with buttons on the points of the collars, and suede shoes with rubber soles.??

1963. Alec Leamas also hated Americans.

He also hated cricket and The Establishment hierarchy of the intelligence services.

I don’t suppose he was shopping around looking for button down collars though.


"Florid, smug, middle-aged golf club bore in this country I'd say. Propping up the 19th hole in deepest Surrey bemoaning the perils of immigration."

 

#2 2022-03-03 03:12:06

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Re: The Spy Who Came In From The Cold

I do like a bit of 'Ivy in Literature'. Shall contribute some of mine later when I have a mo. The Naked Lunch by Burroughs has some good New York Ivy stuff.

 

#3 2022-03-03 03:15:36

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I have fond memories of buying the first edition in the morning and selling it in the afternoon. 
Commercial naughtiness aside, old Jim in 'Tinker, Tailor' (not to mention Bill) hated the Americans.  Bill, needless to say, was a Philby-type Marxist-Leninist (or something of that nature).  As an old friend of mine, now sadly dead, a former 'Guardian' journalist told me, 'They know the revolution will be a long time coming...  so why not drink some fine wines while we're waiting'? 
Le Carre himself, needless to add, had almost as much to say on the subject of Brexit as Lord Adonis.
I last read the novel - in paperback - back in 2013.  Claire Bloom was jolly attractive in the film.

 

#4 2022-03-03 03:19:59

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From Len Deighton, Yesterday's Spy, 1975:

Colonel Schlegel, U.S. Marine Corps (Air Wing), Retired, cut a dapper figure in a lightweight houndstooth three-piece, fake club-tie and button-down cotton shirt. It was the kind of outfit they sell in those Los Angeles shops that have bow windows and plastic Tudor beams.

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some sort of banal legitimacy

 

#5 2022-03-03 03:20:40

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Burroughs...  my word, TRS, that takes me back...  Sartre, Camus, Kerouac, Burroughs, Mailer...  all being eagerly devoured by a tiny coterie of working class boys in their chilly bedrooms circa 1978/79...  Burroughs often had a good look to him, like a psychotic bank manager...  Didn't he sport a hat rather nicely? 
The likes of Mary McCarthy are good for Ivy in literature.  'Rotting tweeds' and hefty shoes.

 

#6 2022-03-03 03:20:53

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Re: The Spy Who Came In From The Cold

Harry Palmer in The Ipcress File also hated Americans, and the British establishment, but indulged in fine coffee and flirted with the girl at the Italian delicatessen. An almost inevitably totally naff ITV adaptation heading to our screens this weekend.

 

#7 2022-03-03 03:22:02

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There's a good collection here:

http://forums.filmnoirbuff.com/viewtopic.php?id=20328


some sort of banal legitimacy

 

#8 2022-03-03 03:23:32

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Love the snappy way these guys put words together. Advanced level pulp fiction, where the act of reading is an effortless pleasure.

 

#9 2022-03-03 03:39:41

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Leamas also drank too much. Unlike James Bond he got bad hangovers. He also got into punch ups. He was not fussy about booze - no ‘Shaken not stirred’ business.

Unlike Harry Palmer he was no expert cook or connoisseur.

Both are stuck in a strictly delineated civil service where chits are required for everything and you get space and furniture according to rank (it will all be a bit shabby anyway). You live in a shabby sort of bedsit and definitely do not own a fancy car like an Aston Martin.


"Florid, smug, middle-aged golf club bore in this country I'd say. Propping up the 19th hole in deepest Surrey bemoaning the perils of immigration."

 

#10 2022-03-03 04:01:43

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Smiley, like Bond, lived in Chelsea: somewhere off Kings Road, wasn't it? 
Fleming, at his best, outclasses Le Carre.  But I read all the Bond novels during 'lockdown' and reached the conclusion that, after almost sixty years, I was pretty tired of it all.

 

#11 2022-03-03 04:13:07

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Smiley had a nice house in ‘Bywater’ Street - a fictional address off the Kings Road. Ministers also had nice houses and chauffeur-driven limousines.

I prefer Alec Guinness’ well-turned out Smiley to the novels’ overweight, shabby individual.


"Florid, smug, middle-aged golf club bore in this country I'd say. Propping up the 19th hole in deepest Surrey bemoaning the perils of immigration."

 

#12 2022-03-03 04:50:14

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I suspect Smiley was 'Anti-Bond', although the Bond of the novels bears little relation to the celluloid version, either in looks or demeanour.  He looks like 'a young Hoagy Carmichael', worries about being killed before the age of thirty five; worries about killing.  I watch the early films now for their style, their titles, for - as some author had it of 'Goldfinger' - their 'zippy pop bluster'.  The first remains the best.  I bought a history of Jamaica on Saturday, based largely on repeated viewings of 'Dr.No' rousing my curiosity.  They dressed Connery beautifully of course.

 

#13 2022-03-03 04:54:26

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Speaking of the TV version, anyone unfamiliar with it (and its sequel) could do worse than buy the dirt-cheap pairing on DVD.  British TV at its best, I think, with marvellous writing and acting.  Ian Bannen as the luckless Jim - superb.

 

#14 2022-03-03 05:12:59

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I'll be tuning in to the TV version. But am fully expecting it to be heavily influenced by The Kingsman films. I'll be happy if I'm wrong though.

 

#15 2022-03-03 05:31:23

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It was not much of a life for Jim Prideaux. Shot when he was an agent in the field. Then having to leave the service. Fixed up with a short supply teaching job in a dodgy public school and living in a caravan with only a vintage Alvis motor car to his name.


"Florid, smug, middle-aged golf club bore in this country I'd say. Propping up the 19th hole in deepest Surrey bemoaning the perils of immigration."

 

#16 2022-03-03 05:43:05

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Re: The Spy Who Came In From The Cold

Has anyone seen the Johnny Worriker trilogy of films, starring Bill Nighy (JS customer) as an MI5 officer nearing the end of his career who becomes enmeshed in a scandal involving the Prime Minister and things get a bit sticky for him. It is not ‘Bondesqe’ at all, there are no car chases and very little shooting. Worriker dresses quite pleasingly in a low key manner but not Ivy.  He likes listening to Lester Young and lives in a mansion house apartment in Battersea that could never be afforded on a civil servant’s wages. He’s always able to park outside easily, there never seem to be any yellow lines or traffic wardens in these films. But I suppose it wouldn’t be quite the same if he got on the Tube and went home to Willesden at the end of each scene.


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#17 2022-03-03 05:59:16

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I watched the Worriker trilogy because I like Bill Nighys style of acting. Can't say I was impressed but maybe I was not in the right mood. I can be overly critical when it comes to small details that I think are not correct.


'I am a closet optimist' Leonard Cohen.

 

#18 2022-03-03 06:53:39

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Yes watched Worriker but he did have a stint in the Caribbean in plush surroundings. Not grim Iron curtain locations.

Nighy is always the same. Always wears a navy suit too.


"Florid, smug, middle-aged golf club bore in this country I'd say. Propping up the 19th hole in deepest Surrey bemoaning the perils of immigration."

 

#19 2022-03-03 10:39:17

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I thought The Game was a pretty good series, a cold war thriller set in the mid 70's.
Brian Cox codenamed "Daddy" a high ranking MI5 superior and the late Paul Ritter as an ambitious civil servant

 

#20 2022-03-03 14:05:26

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The Game was beautifully shot. Was disappointed to only have one series.


Hide thy infants, hide thy Lady, and hide thy husband, alas they art forcing sexual intercourse upon the entire populace. - Wm Shakespeare

 

#21 2022-03-03 14:44:02

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The Game was beautifully shot. Was disappointed to only have one series.

I thought there was at least another series in the making.

 

#22 2022-03-05 01:47:16

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Re: The Spy Who Came In From The Cold

'The Sand Baggers' is worth a look.  I seem to remember the CIA/'Head Of London Station'-type character, Sherman I think he's called, having a decent haircut.

 

#23 2022-03-05 13:07:24

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The Spy Who Came in from the Cold, on Talking Pictures Wednesday 9th of March.

 

#24 2022-03-05 13:46:42

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Re: The Spy Who Came In From The Cold

On that channel I watched some of a poor early 60s British comedy film today 'What A Whopper'. Lots of the British comedy regulars, Adam Faith as the star in some decent clothing, Kings Road clearly in shot. A poor film but worth spotting lots of British comedy actors. There was a beatnik modern art part at the start that AFS would recognise as inspired by The Rebel. Sighting of a Mod looking scooter too. Interesting to see how different the world was.

Talking Pictures has lots of older TV and film that is worth a look for memories or sightings.

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#25 2022-03-05 14:00:06

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@AUS, I watched Juliet Mills in Nurse on Wheels in B/W, great scenery shot around Great Missenden in the Chilterns, plus the love interest a gentleman farmer, driving a Landy and wearing cavalry twills, tweed and a shearling.

 

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