We watched the movie (not quite as good as the novel it's based on) last evening. William Devane's character shows up at one point in a spiffy sports sweater, Roy Scheider has a nice roll to his collar a couple of times (although his tie is a little too fat perhaps - but this is 1975/6), and Dustin Hoffman, although he may not look as obviously Ivy League as in 'The Graduate' nonetheless has a nice collegiate look about him in a dark green polo shirt and blue jeans, complemented by a hooded sweatshirt.
Much under rated the dark green polo.
I fell into the trap of over simplifying in favour of navy/white/grey. But came to realise that dark green is just as versatile as any of those.
The green ocbd is often talked about on here. I wonder if dark green would be a better choice than Miles’s?
I tried both, Spendthrift, the lighter, then the darker. The first was Fruit Of The Loom, the second Brooks. The first works with light chinos, wheat jeans or white Levis (but I'm too old for the latter!), the second with darker denim, brown belt breaking the area between dark blue/dark green. When I first met TRS, back in the summer of 2012, he was wearing a dark green polo shirt and cuffed Levis. I had a USA-made green polo years ago and wouldn't mind another.
Nice shot of Miles inside 'Kind Of Blue', wearing a button-down - of linen? Difficult to tell.
Love the depiction of NYC in this film as filthy and lawless, in fact all 70s cinema represents the city in this way with the noble exception of Woody's absurdly romantic 'Manhattan'.
Compare and contrast with 'On The Town' and 'The Seven Year Itch'. Then fast forward to 'Midnight Cowboy'.
Hmm. Looks like a dark green bd’s just gone on the list.
NYC’s pretty much the only part of the world that I’ve heard plenty of people bemoaning the fact that it’s been cleaned up. Sometimes the Kings Cross area of London. But I suspect there’s an element of selective memory there.
Fast forward from 'Midnight Cowboy' to 'Taxi Driver'.
My late father began ambling around Manhattan in 1978 or 1979. He always reckoned it to be no worse than the West End and actually grew quite impatient with me when I suggested it might be dangerous. My wife and younger daughter (then sixteen) visited in the summer of 2012 and heard gunshots in the middle of the afternoon, close to the Roosevelt, where they were staying.
I've never been and no longer want to. I want to travel back in time and see the city as it was between 1945 and 1970.
Rightly or wrongly, it is open to debate, Mayor Rudy Giuliani is widely credited for slashing the crime rate in NYC in the late 90s/early 2000s. This was achieved by hiring an extra 7,000 cops and robustly managing the NYPD to ensure it was getting results dealing with street criminals and organised crime. Later he came to prominence for his leadership after 9/11 and was honorarily knighted by the Queen. Subsequently his halo has slipped a bit due to his acting as Trump’s lawyer when he challenged the Presidential election result. Still he did a good job sorting Manhattan’s crime out.
Didn’t that Sacha Baron Cohen do a number on him?
Amazing that someone that high profile, with such a good reputation (truly earned or not) could take their eye off the ball to that extent.
Didn’t that Sacha Baron Cohen do a number on him?
Yes he did, toe curling & cringeworthy it was to.
RG - Having nothing better to do on a wet Friday morning I've just re-visited it in all it's hideous glory. Yup. Toe curling and cringeworthy it is!
Spendthrift - Ha ha, I'll give it a miss.
There's one career criminal in NY that Guiliani failed to deal with. In fact he went on to assist him in his criminal activities.
I've only seen clips of Cohen's takedown of Guilani, but Cohen certainly has had his moments. Borat visiting a reiki master being my possible favourite.
I have family that used to live in Manhattan in the eighties.Yes, it was slightly edgy but then I think a lot of big cities were then. The upside was housing was a lot cheaper and food was too. I will always remember my nervousness during an early visit to New York when exiting a down town record store at dusk and not being able to find a taxi. When I entered it was a bright mid January afternoon and I'd forgotten how quickly afternoon turns to Evening. Graffeti was everywhere, certain buildings were abandoned and the streets far too quite. Years later I returned. The record store had been priced out of the neighbourhood and it was full of Yummy Mummys in designer clothes.
Woof refers to the strategy known as " Zero Tolerance" by the Police. It was a large scale crackdown on anti social behaviour. It also helped that after a decade of RICO cases against organised crime their influence was diminished. The third part of clearing-up the City was in reducing police corruption that had always been an issue.
The downside of creating a safer city was the sky rocketing housing prices. Manhattan quickly became very expensive. Clever estate agents recognised that if you created new brands for areas it helped market them. Hence Tribeca, Noho East and the Meat Packing District. Warehouses and work rooms were now Loft apartments heralding a new style of gentrification.
I asked my cousin why all the sofas in a certain store looked oversize and he explained they were used to take up space in these new open plan apartments with exposed brick and metal columns.
It's sad that there's now a homogeneous feel to most big cities in the West. The independent stores are still there but fewer in number and more hidden.What's left doesn't excite me at all.
+1 for dark green polo shirt.
I've got one from Brooks. Looks British Racing Green. Great with both blue and natural tones.
There's a picture of John Simons wearing one underneath a cream coloured linen jacket on one of JPG's great blogs
Alvey - I childhood friend of a now sadly departed friend of mine had a business in the 70's / 80's selling classic soul vinyl, he and his business partner travelled the US picking up plenty of bargains in downtown music shops, his one golden rule was to leave before it got dark, the one time he didn't, in Memphis I think , it got tricky,
Staxfan,
I wonder if I knew who your friend was.
In the eighties there were a number of crate diggers out there rediscovering long forgotten soul and Jazz.
I heard of some UK guys who were going to Detroit and down South. Sometimes even tracking down the actual artists who had long given up on being singers.
I often imagine the shock some rural Black people must've got when a couple of UK northern soul collectors knock on their door and start reciting catalogue numbers and asking about an obscure B-side
Ian Levine was doing this early/mid 70's.
White Americans were doing it in the 60s i.e. going down south and finding elderly people who had made seemingly long-forgotten discs decades previously. The music was blues and the focus was on recording the old artists and getting them gigs. I think some of them hadn't played for years but most or all still sounded phenomenal, particularly my favourite: Mississippi John Hurt. (His live double album from 65 is absolutely beautiful.)
From the early days of n soul (early 70s or maybe even earlier), UK DJs were going to the US to find unknown 45s. Occasionally they would find the artist too and bring them over for a live performance. I imagine UK record dealers still go over there to search for stock.
Skip James sounded amazing too.
The blues record labels of the mid 60s ran the risk of being mistaken for civil rights advocates whilst on their trips down south. Which could have cost them their lives.
Prior to that, Alan Lomax and maybe others would visit the south to discover new talent. (1940s and maybe earlier.) I vaguely recall that that was how Leadbelly was discovered.
Alvey - I only met the guy 2-3 times around 20 years ago, as mentioned our mutual friend died 5 years ago, the guy in question was called ' Lol' , came from Bracknell, (he'd be mid 60's now),apparently he and his business partner use to split the US between them , the time he got caught out staying too long he'd found a goldmine of vinyl, I remember him saying that on one or more occasions when asking about soul vinyl (which was apparently out of fashion at the time), he was told the ' disco shit' is in the back room, he picked up albums for 50 cents each, pack them up , drop them off at a UPS depot for shipment back and made tidy profits at record fairs, I'm certainly no expert but I think he was impressed I had all 4 volumes of Dave Godin's Deep Soul Treasures compilation cd's !
I spent the summer of 92 in the US with vague plans to find loads of vintage vinyl and set myself up as a record dealer on my return to the UK. I only looked in record shops though, most of which used to charge almost as much as the UK dealers. More in some cases. So although I did get some killer tracks for my own collection and for many years of DJing, I certainly didn't get a career out of it. Perhaps for the best.
Stax, I'm pretty sure they was a second hand record shop in Bracknell possibly late 80's, that sold just Jazz, Funk & soul. I picked up quite a few rare albums from there. It was around the time of the Pirate radio, because one of the guys who worked in there was a DJ on one of the stations.