I gave up with the Village Gate pretty quickly and likewise shopped locally in the high street. I did manage to buy a Likely Lads suit from the VG which I wore for an interview for a job in Notting Hill Gate. Got the job and wore the suit for work. I did buy one pair of stack heel shoes from the King's Road and likewise didn't take to them.
NOS Florsheim Imperials, a hefty £995 price tag.
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Not even cordovan leather either.
Very hefty price tag for the Florsheim Imperials. Luckily they are slightly too big for me.
Just surmising, but I suspect the price is an error.
On the JS FB page today there’s a small collage of photos, a very nice looking jacket amongst them, click on the photo and there’s a caption that says the JS Ivy Jacket, a sampler of their AW jackets maybe,
I like the look of that jacket on the FB page. There doesn't appear to be any details yet on the shop site.
Robbie - I'm sure they'll have it ' featured' on the FB & IG soon, they seem to take a little while to get some of the new items on the website, I'd say anyone interested in this jacket ( and possibly some other AW jackets), would need to move quick, as always I'm sure they'll only have a small number of them, no waiting for a sale, ( which is my strategy for 90% of what I buy),
The Autumn Ivy jackets now on the JS website. At £495 I might pass. They are only have 7 in one jacket I like and someone who looks like Woof is modelling it!
NOS in Baggies polo shirts carrying a logo near the bottom of the shirt that isn't good
‘The Autumn Ivy jackets now on the JS website. At £495 I might pass.‘
Nearly 500 quid for an unlined jacket. Hardy and Johnson were great value but sadly no longer offer Ivy jackets.
There is always eBay for used jackets, though I have not looked on there for a very long time.
I like the soft slouchy feel of an unlined jacket, it fits in with the current casual vibe of menswear and, not least of course, the Ivy look. They do use excellent cloth in their jackets, the downside is that they can’t be altered as easily as a conventionally tailored jacket (which would cost a lot more).
If I was starting out an Ivy wardrobe and needed a wool jacket I would be tempted by the JS items. But, it will soon be time to unpack my autumn/winter gear, be horrified at how many clothes I’ve actually got and think to myself that I really should make an effort to slim the collection down a bit. Then probably not do anything about it.
The Ivy Jackets do look good, better when they're being worn than just a picture of the jacket, and yes that does look like the Woofster ,if it is him it looks like he's put on a bit timber ! I'll also pass on them as like most here I have enough jackets, I wait in hope that next spring they produce some in a poplin cotton, not seersucker, not linen, but poplin cotton !
I was considering getting another if they did them in other materials, but at half a grand that's not going to happen, I don't think. Let's see! Perhaps the tweed material is notably more pricey than linen (which were a good £150+ cheaper just a few months ago).
Probably comparing apples and pears but Old-Town make similar unlined jackets for under £300. Didn't someone once send them a pattern for ivy jackets but they weren't interested in making them?
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In fact, the more I think about it: who on earth in Britain has that kind of spare cash these days? Surely a shop like John Simons is going to struggle for customers when every pretty well off people start feeling financially in trouble, no?
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I can relate to what you’re saying Colin, but the stuff seems to fly off their shelves none the less.
‘In fact, the more I think about it: who on earth in Britain has that kind of spare cash these days? Surely a shop like John Simons is going to struggle for customers when every pretty well off people start feeling financially in trouble, no?’
Agreed. Not just John Simons though. Discretionary spending will be hugely curtailed.
It would be a sad day were they to close their doors, I missed the place very much during the hiatus between Russell St closing and Chiltern St opening. For many years it’s been a beacon of Ivy, sustaining interest in the look as well as being something of a gateway to jazz and modernism for many.
Kingston1an. ‘Discretionary spending will be hugely curtailed.’
Anyone under 40 has grown up during 30 years of pretty much constant prosperity, accustomed to being able to have what they want, when they want. Once the economic problems gather pace, tough decisions will have to be made about new cars, subscription TV services, holidays, restaurant meals and, horror of horrors, new mobile phones. The grumbling murmurs of the ‘hard done by’ generation will reach a crescendo and they will take to the streets to demand justice for their misfortunes, with only an emasculated, woke, decimated police force to face them down. Should be interesting.
People will always pay top dollar at JS until this Ivy thing disappears up its own arsehole.
I was paying top prices at Russell St back in the day and that was a personal choice, only because both Ivy Shops had closed and Harrington in Guildford had moved away from the purist form of Ivy.
Unfortunately even though I'm in my latter years my disposable income means Chiltern St prices are way out of my league, but good luck to Paul I hope he keeps it going.
People under 35, FlatSixC, have seen pretty much constant economic crisis and instability their entire adult life. Britain has become the most socially and spatially uneven countries in Europe and wages still not back to pre global financial crisis levels.
I appreciate most people on this forum are on the older side and may, possibly, feel more sheltered from things, but pretty much the only way you have proper stability these days is if you receive wealth passed down through the family, to buy a house etc. A generation who will be poorer than the last for the first time in a very long time.
The notion of a 'woke' police force isn't a serious one.
Moving this back on topic - yes, I suspect lots of small shops may start to struggle over the next 6-12 months or so if people do cut out the fancier purchases, but suspect JS should be able to ride it out better than others given the age of much of their customer base. Really like what they're doing with their own brand shirts and jackets, so let's hope that continues!
Colin - I won’t disagree with anything you have said there a couple of the things I said in my post above were unwarranted, so apologies for any annoyance arising. Things are hard for young people, the economic conditions over the last few decades have permitted employers to hold wages down artificially and erode job security to a minimum. Property prices have been boosted to absurd levels by liberal bank lending. What constitutes an economic crisis is all relative and depends on how it affects you personally. I was harping back to a long era in the 70s, 80s and 90s where inflation and interest rates were jumping in and out of double figures. At least a 10% deposit was required for a mortgage which was obtained by going to the building society manager upon bended knee. 15% mortgages, forced house sales with negative equity. Constant industrial unrest, the 3 day week when factories and businesses were closed and staff laid off for two days every week because the electricity supply was turned off, that went on for months.
Back to business - John Simons has always pitched for the well heeled man so lets hope the shop’s customer base remain loyal. But many people who once would have been blase’ about spending £500 on a jacket are deferring those larger purchases. The fact that buying stuff on ebay USA is no longer viable must work in their favour, although I must admit that I still look at vintage Brooks, Press, Pendleton etc.
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Thanks FlatSixC - was a bit of a dismissive post from me....dealing with an under the weather baby! I wonder how much the next few months may feel like you've been here before....
As much as I'd like another JS ivy jacket I don't need it by any stretch, do might have a clear out before buying another....maybe!
Just want to say that the various manifestations of John Simons' shops have never been purely about luxury and high prices. Yes, the good stuff costs, and lasts, and is worth every penny. But if I think back to the shop I knew best, 2 Russell Street, well, Weejuns, the proper old USA ones, were never that expensive. There would be a desert boot or two that didn't cost a fortune. There were always affordable knickknacks on the vintage rail, and Fruit Of The Loom t-shirts etc.. Even the old Sero The Purist shirts weren't absurdly unaffordable. I guess things have changed so much with the arrival of the internet and the devastation of manufacturing in the U.S. I don't quite grasp how it all fits together anymore.
Some gripping reading on this thread at present and some very well made points.
I think Colin & I must be about the same age. Under 40 at any rate (at least for the next six months in my case..)
Disposable income is not something I’ve truly had since about 2008 - every purchase i make these days is 99% considered heavily and fought for financially, something else somewhere else will have had to give. I can give exact case notes if necessary!
2RS as always makes an excellent point though, his name sake always had something affordable within - and more often than not, if you did buy something with a heftier price tag, you were rewarded with a pair of socks or tie on the house, I doubt that’s current practice at no 46.
I agree that the new jackets are really nice but I also think (and suspect i’m not alone here) that they’re not 500 quid nice, is that the point some of you were trying to get at?
Undoubtedly they’ll sell, because JS have a loyal and deep-pocketed fan base but like more and more of the JS offering, it won’t be to the likes of me.
I’m going to go out on a limb here and risk having my head bitten off but unlike an awful lot of you, i’m not sure i do like the direction JS are taking, it feels like a wishier washier watered down version of what they used to do. More suited for magazine covers and instagram shoots and “our man in..?? articles. That is with good reason of course.
As nice as some of their own-name products are, I remain unconvinced they’re actually worth their heavier price tags, certainly from a quality & fit perspective. It’s not going to stop me buying certain things though - as i said above they’ll just be more weighed and considered purchases in the future.