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#101 2006-06-20 12:49:47

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Re: The Suit by Nicholas Antongiavanni

That's a terrific interview for Manton, thanks for posting it Ed.

 

#102 2006-06-22 00:12:11

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Re: The Suit by Nicholas Antongiavanni

I haven't listened to the second podcast or read any of the interviews but I did read his "mea culpa" posted elsewhere.  It appears to be written, in a sense, as a reply to many of our observations on his book.  The result of his latest qualification, taken to its logical conclusion, is that (and this isn't too much of an exaggeration) everything in the book can mean anything he wants it to.


""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.

 

#103 2006-06-22 05:33:37

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#104 2006-06-24 19:54:53

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#105 2006-06-25 00:49:59

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""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.

 

#106 2006-06-25 19:59:30

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#107 2006-06-30 20:21:00

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Re: The Suit by Nicholas Antongiavanni

I just finished up The Suit.  Personally, I enjoyed it.  Of course, I'm also a big fan of Machiavelli, so that made it more fun.

 

#108 2006-07-01 01:00:32

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""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.

 

#109 2006-07-01 08:57:41

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Re: The Suit by Nicholas Antongiavanni

Well, I just liked it generally. I thought the writing style was humorous, but neverthess the author was able to give his opinions on proper dress as well.  I also enjoyed straightahead references to Machiavelli, such as "a man who is not wise by himself cannot be counseled well".  It wasn't too long - again, just like the Prince - which made for a quick read.  I might have suggested some limited number of photos or illustrations.

I read a lot of commentary on the book debating whether certain rules or whatever are accurate.  Alas, there is no authoritative source for the "rules". You can't go look up the relevant legislation.  Thus the "rules" as well as views on what looks good or not, are inherently somewhat subjective.

I've commented in the past on AAAC that someone shows a picture of a person, and immeidately the piranhas start digging in with all sorts of comments about every imagined flaw, even on very well-dressed people.  I've always found this a little over the top.  So there's no need in my opinion to launch detailed critiques. 

I do wonder who the target audience is. Flusser, I must admit, basically taught me to dress through his books.  WIth their many photos and detailed instructions - agree with them or not - they are a guide to the novice.  That is not the case with this book.  Nor is it a scholarly essay or history.  I would suggest that the book is targeted at an "in" crowd who already knows something about clothes and thus can appreciate it.  Given the sad sartorial state of America, this will probably limit his target audience, though for those of us here, it is a good thing.

 

#110 2006-07-01 23:31:23

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#111 2006-07-02 21:36:18

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#112 2006-07-03 00:04:14

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#113 2006-07-03 07:26:01

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Re: The Suit by Nicholas Antongiavanni

I have a Grey Flannel suit with patch pockets. No one even knows you are or are not supposed to have this detail. I think it looks good as a change of pace in certain circumstances.

Recently, Ive felt like a walking disclaimer...

 

#114 2006-07-03 17:18:03

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Re: The Suit by Nicholas Antongiavanni

I don't have an opinion on Mike's author pics.  But to be fair, I don't think the author of a book on style has to dress well to be correct.  Whether he has style or not in his personal life shouldn't reflect well or poorly on what he's written.


""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.

 

#115 2006-07-03 18:14:07

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#116 2006-07-03 18:33:21

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#117 2006-07-03 18:34:02

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This is interesting.

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#118 2006-07-05 04:23:53

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""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.

 

#119 2006-07-06 04:40:51

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Re: The Suit by Nicholas Antongiavanni

Patch pockets are perfectly fine for the office these days.  I would avoid them on stripes, but on a more casual or summery cloth, can look very nice.  In this sense it is more of an Italian sensibility, and, like tan shoes, may not appeal to everyone.

 

#120 2006-07-07 04:59:46

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""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.

 

#121 2006-07-09 11:05:57

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Re: The Suit by Nicholas Antongiavanni

Patch pockets make pattern matching a trickier proposition.


Will's thoughts on classic men's clothing
http://www.asuitablewardrobe.net/

 

#122 2006-07-09 11:54:49

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#123 2006-07-09 23:59:33

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""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.

 

#124 2006-07-10 10:19:27

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#125 2006-07-12 14:30:06

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