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#1 2010-02-05 14:47:43

lockerloop
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Ageing

Paul Cook (he of the Sex Pistols) was in Bar Italia today and he looked, well, to be honest, he looked kind of lovely. Neat, great hair (McQueen in Love with the Proper Stranger), Gucci loafers, kind of mod, understated. He's old now, wrinkled up face, but cuddly looking, and still nice and slim. He was sipping an espresso. A Sex Pistol. Drinking espresso. I think that's a definition of progress. Weller was in there a couple of weeks back clocking my Clarks Desert Boots. Looked kind of old and sad - like he wanted to be loved. Maybe he's missing Paolo. But Cook had all the style. 2 old punks. Drinking espresso. I also went to see John Simons. His shop will now close mid-March. Everytime I see him the closing date has shifted on again. But he assures me this is a minor extension to allow to sell through his stock. He's in talks about a new venture. So John is 70 and still wants to engage with life. Still oozing style and charisma. Talked about Getz Meets Mulligan in Hi-Fi. Great hair and everything. Just so cool unlike the punters in there sniffing around for cheap things. What is it with some people? They'll buy anything if it's cheap but have no taste, they just do not know what is really important. So I found myself meditating on the ageing process. I'm 45 and many friends are looking back, reminiscing, re-evaluating. The icons of my youth are approaching their 60s. This has been an online diary note. Thank you for reading. Anyone else feel the memories starting to overtake the experiences as you get older? Paul Cook, a better mod than Weller. I would never have believed it possible....

 

#2 2010-02-05 15:58:56

4F Hepcat
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Re: Ageing

This post saved me from searching for free porn.

Weller, its sad. Cafe Bleu saved my teenage life and turned me onto modern jazz. Even in the Nineties up until about 1997, you could still believe in Weller, but not now.

I turn 39 this year, my wife is older and she turns 40.  Odd as it happens, her ex-husband shares exactly the same birthday as mine. I was always attracted to, and had relationships with women who were always a year older than me. That was our destiny, to be together, and we had children late, three and two years old now. Never thought I could be so old, and a parent.

As you, my icons, Weller included are now getting old. Remember when I found out Joe Strummer had died, three months down the line from a Mojo bought in Ipanema.  I still don't quite believe he's dead.

I saw David Byrne several times, last time in '97, he still had the fire, now, he hasn't.

My music collection is full of dead jazz musicians, still this speaks to me more than the moderns. What does this mean? I don't even check out the contemporary releases in the local jazz record shop, unless its Sex Mob. But I dig modern jazz, its classical music of the urban 20th century.

Our culture is in decline, its already difficult to achieve what our father's achieved, for our children it will be even more difficult, but the East, never destined for this future, read Blake and Levi Strauss as examples, has taken the means of production and technological innovation from us. We gave it to them, in the race for profit.  And yet, we still engage in 19th century wars whilst the morals and notions behind such enterprises are deemed extinct by our elite, who have sold us down the river.

We live in a culture where saudade and nostalgia may be the strongest desires at work, the trads don't exist in a vacuum.


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#3 2010-02-05 21:38:39

The_Shooman
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Re: Ageing

l'm constantly amazed at the American's love of Jazz . We have no such following in Australia. Not many know about Jazz and it's almost dead here. Such great Jazz artists in America.

 

#4 2010-02-06 03:24:40

Just Jim
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Re: Ageing

A very good topic and one also very much on my mind these days. The more I have to do with young people (acknowledging that I am now not one of them) The more I finally get all that 'zank 'eavens for leetle girls' crap.

I'm glad I fathered a child, planted a tree and all of that. I think too that it's fair to say that I've left most things & people I've come across different to the way they were pre-me - And that's been great fun.

What's next I have no idea. I'm hoping for more of the same. My clothes, haircuts & records will become ever more 'vintage'. The next generation will do what they will. If they 'do the knowledge' then they will do well, if they try to skip it then they are doomed.

Today I shall sit in a Tapas bar by the harbour chatting to Ray (if he's on duty) planning my next move just like I did at 13. My wife and daughter will go and buy shoes and see me later.

I'm looking forward to the Summer.

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#5 2010-02-06 03:59:58

Kingstonian
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#6 2010-02-06 04:20:39

Matt
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Re: Ageing

http://www.askandyaboutclothes.com/forum/showthread.php?t=100440

You might want to check out Cruiser's take on the subject.

Post #22.

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#7 2010-02-06 04:22:11

Staceyboy
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#8 2010-02-06 04:30:14

Alex Roest
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#9 2010-02-06 05:09:19

eris
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Re: Ageing

From a rather different/younger vantage point, this thread makes me wonder what my age group will look like in 40 yrs. If there's a truth to the notion that one tends to stick with what one wears in his 20ies, I see 60 year olds in baggy pants, A&F and Juicy couture tracksuits looming on the horizon. Not a nice thought.

 

#10 2010-02-06 11:46:27

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#11 2010-02-06 13:08:59

Just Jim
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#12 2010-02-06 13:38:27

Alex Roest
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#13 2010-02-06 14:17:37

Alex Roest
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#14 2010-02-06 14:53:38

1966
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Re: Ageing

Back to the topic. The older I get, the more I think that a "real person" has inconsistencies, quirks, silliness, masquerades... and perhaps a bit of sense (I'll give you that Alex wink ).

 

#15 2010-02-06 15:03:43

Alex Roest
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#16 2010-02-06 15:53:59

Alex Roest
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#17 2010-02-07 01:01:15

1966
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#18 2010-02-07 02:10:23

4F Hepcat
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Re: Ageing

One good thing about growing older, is that the inhibitions and shyness go, you have more self confidence in areas you know about and much less in ones you don't.  You generally have more money, better standard of living and the worries you had are gone, replaced by worries about the kids. And you can't go out for a full weekend on a tenner anymore.

Staceyboy is spot on about Weller, he's all paisley and psychedilc now, nicotine tinged skin and cites every musical influence possible in interviews when selling his latest record in a desperate attempt to expand his demographic and evoke empathy from one and all. From hippies, goths, punks, dreads, classical musicians, tangoists, Christian and Islamic fundamentalists and oh yeah, mods.


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#19 2010-02-07 02:32:39

Just Jim
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#20 2010-02-07 03:42:28

Chris_H
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Re: Ageing

Ageing is inevitable for all of us, so just embrace it and go with it. All here have the means and the wherewithal to age gracefully and with dignity dresswise........The voice of experience speaking wink


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#21 2010-02-07 04:02:58

Alex Roest
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Re: Ageing

Sartorially speaking the great divide is probably between those who stick to the choice they made in their youth and those who like to experiment or go through changes in that respect, too. The progressive part or aspect that Mr. Lockerloop has mentioned, really. I think Staceyboy's story is a great example of that. From Clash City Rocker to Ivy-ist or something like that smile

The thing is IMHO that if one opts, for whatever reason, for a somewhat conservative ( that word again, see also Matt's link ) approach during their youth things will remain to be pretty steadfast whereas otherwise one runs the risk of either becoming e.g. a fashion victim or a perpetual rebel of sorts. Obviously the former approach makes the most sense to most of the TI forumites but I reckon it takes a bit of nerve to change one's image in a big way, too. Breaking away from peer pressure and all that, depending on the circles within which one moves of course. If we must talk sense it is best be done in relation to the schmutter because we all seem to recognise the strength of the IL style and the sheer power it can give you.

 

#22 2010-02-07 05:02:51

slim jenkins
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Re: Ageing


A man could spend the rest of his life trying to remember what he shouldn't have said.

http://includemeout2.blogspot.com

 

#23 2010-02-07 05:21:35

Chris_H
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Re: Ageing

^alright then......'disgracefully' big_smile


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#24 2010-02-07 06:08:01

slim jenkins
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Re: Ageing

Few better dressed, though!

I grow old, I grow old...I shall (probably not) wear my trousers rolled...as TS Eliot almost said.


A man could spend the rest of his life trying to remember what he shouldn't have said.

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#25 2010-02-07 06:58:37

formby
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Re: Ageing

Jesus, chaps! I've aged 10 years just reading this thread!!!


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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