Living with teenaged girls I didn't need to pay good money at Tate Modern to see a pair of dirty knickers on an unmade bed.
The Eiffel Tower, however, is another matter entirely.
I don't mind 'The Shock Of the New'. I object to elephant shit and Will Self.
Modernist art in all its manifestations is one of the great pleasures of life.
A lot of pretentious crap is sold or hyped as modernist art. Charles Saatchi has donated his collection to the nation. I would have told him to keep his tat rather than expect the taxpayer to pay for its display and storage.
but modernism doesn't isnt that art today. modernism is the sort that comes from the 20's to around the 60's type art. cubism, futurism, constructivism... and probably died at pop art or minimalism. That 'modern' pretentious crap that comes out of art schools today sure is something else and would never give it the name 'modernist art'.
check out the de stijl movement for some nice furniture, bauhaus etc... not stinky Tracey Emmin
yes. there's a huge different between modern / modernist and contemporary.
To describe the saatchi collection as modernist would be to use the tem modernism incorectly. In its proper art history context that collection is contemporary.
Yes, there's a difference between Modernism, which finished around the end of the 60's really, and "Contemporary" art which is a mixture of charlatanism, commercialism and sensationalism..... not that any of those elements have been absent from any art movement, at any period. Though the tipping point has now been reached, i.e. those elements are now predominent and the "art" bit is secondary.
OH I see there has been follow up posts allready.
modernism early 1900's to 1950's
Contemporary is a polite term for what media types like to call 'cutting edge', i.e. pretentious bollocks, the equivalent of swirly blobs of sauce on a plate instead of proper, honest nosh. Modernism, I agree, is a different animal altogether; pop art different again. Bricks and elephant shit I can live without, just as I can live without the 'films' of Andy Warhol or most of the offerings of Channel Four.
The pre-raphaelites certainly have the edge over Ermin's spunk and menstrual fluid stained bedsheets.
Modernism is pretty good, its the contemporary emperor's new clothes malarkey that is offensive to the ideas of beauty and form. It's deceitful to the very notion of art.
I always liked Bukowski's definition of art: doing something dangerous with style.
very good points.
my pre-raphaelite comment wasn't rally a dig on said 'genre / scool', some of those paintings (like scapegoat) are really stunning.
i quite detest most contemporary art as very often it seems to be about shock value only (or 'art for art's sake aka. pseudo-clever 'quoting / refencing 7 commenting' of art of the past). i find intended shock value very boring.
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Excellent thread. My wife is quite an authority on Burne-Jones et al. and I have had to accompany her on a couple of expeditions to galleries for 'birthday treats'. The stuff is also all over our walls and tends to leave me quite cold. Better by far, though, than Miss Spunk and Mr. Pickled Sheep.
back to modernism: what artists of said era really rock your boat? i'll begin my list with the obvious, abstract expressionsim, pollock, motherwell, de kooning, louis. adding a bit of rothko, francis bacon (wasn't really a modernist in the purest sense, was he, but i'm a great admirer nevertheless). used to be keen on pop art when younger but these days it leaves me a bit cold. always rated liechetnstein over warhol, any day. as for the beginning / origins of modernism, i find true innovators of abstract painting / art the most interesting, especially the russian avant garde, malevich, tatlin, gontcharova, kljun, rodtshenko etc.
as said before, i'm a big admirer of finnish modernist painters. don't now f--k all about british modernists though. guidance needed here.
There's some serious Daily Mail fuelled opinions going on here chums.
Remember most people hated (still hate) a lot of the stuff that is held dear on this forum...
Yes remember hitler feared moderism and shut down the bauhaus. Ahh what might have been.
on the other hand the futurists had facist leanings .my only gripe with the movement.
Jackson pollack,william burroughs,ornette coleman, frank lloyd wright..etc were not exactly received with open arms by the great genral public, or in some cases their own contemporarys.
Change is allways dealt with suspicion and fear.
A lot of contemporary art is still great. not all but then has it ever been? for those with a anti conceptual stance I suggest you look up the stuckist movenent . best nv