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#1 2010-08-10 03:01:02

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Motown

This was thought to be very sophisticated when I was growing up, and I was saying to Richmond Hill I remember very clearly a visit to York with my parents circa 1966 when the Four Tops 'Reach Out, I'll Be There' was being played everywhere.  I loved The Supremes; later, Marvin Gaye.  Then I came to find it too whitebread, too poppy.  I've begun to change my mind a little bit lately, thinking of it in the same way I do Phil Spector, Shadow Morton or The Beach Boys: part of my listening past: quite happy to hear it without wanting it on the CD player.  My wife and I went to see 'Dancing In The Streets' back in the summer of 2006: dodgy.  Never much liked Martha Reeves and the Vandellas.  Stevie Wonder I have very mixed feelings about, too - joyous sound sometimes but often naff... 
Still, most of it was better than Barry White and co. if not as good as Jackie Wilson, Otis or Al Green.

 

#2 2010-08-10 03:31:51

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#3 2010-08-10 03:46:10

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Re: Motown

Motown is very underrated and it's a stereotype that it was just factory/ assembly line production with lots of strings, sweetened for the white market etc...

Some very hard rocking rhythm and blues sounds in the early days, too... Check Barrett Strong's "Money", the first Contours single "Whole Lotta Woman", or Eddie Holland's "Leaving Here"... of course, I also like a lot of the sweet sounds...

Smokey Robinson is a genius!

And what against Martha & The Vandellas? Nowhere to run!!!


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#4 2010-08-10 03:48:09

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#5 2010-08-10 03:48:23

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The early stuff that influenced The Beatles is better, sure.  It fucked up around the time big hair, big lapels and big funky boots arrived on the scene.

 

#6 2010-08-10 04:11:14

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#7 2010-08-10 04:17:06

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#8 2010-08-10 04:22:22

Hard Bop Hank
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Come and get these memories! Sure, it's amazing... Isn't this one of those tunes that still got played in the 70s Northern scene?

One of my faves during the last two years was "Don't Feel Sorry For Me" by Jimmy Ruffin, the first single issued on Miracle, one of these Motown subsidiaries... also a nice kiss-off tune!


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#9 2010-08-10 04:30:36

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#10 2010-08-10 05:00:06

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A true story.  My local butcher is a big soul fan, knew some guy who was promoting Edwin Starr.  "I'll bring him into the shop to see you".  And he did, so there's Edwin Starr in this funny little town in the middle of Derbyshire chatting to Richard over the pies, chops and sausages.

 

#11 2010-08-10 05:17:39

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LOL, nice story!


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#12 2010-08-10 06:30:26

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Temptations albums from around 67 to mid 70s are absolute classics, I must disagree with anyone who says otherwise.  They contain a real mix of styles, all done exquisitely, including certain epic tunes where the Funk Brothers really got to do their thing, and with musicians of their calibre 15 minute tunes sustain excitement and interest.  Lots of great lyrics, melodies and harmonies as well.

Talking Book by Stevie Wonder must be one of the greatest albums of all time too. 

True, if I want to dance for 3 minutes then I'll choose an early Motown tune over a 70s one, but it was the beginning of the 70s when certain immensely talented artists got the freedom to produce the music they wanted to, resulting in some classic albums.

Still, one man's meat and all that.

T Plays It Cool is an amazing tune from that era too, that tune is the ultimate . . .

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some sort of banal legitimacy

 

#13 2010-08-10 06:51:24

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Seeing as Mr Starr spent the last couple of decades living in the midlands this is not too surprising. Very much like Champion Jack Dupree settling in West Yorkshire.

Motown is a strange thing and this is probably not the correct place to go into all my own feelings about it. It's a fascinating story and throws up many anomalies. For a brief time it was the most successful independent record company of all time, but taken as a whole it can also be said to be the most spectacularly unsuccessful record company in history. When Gordy finally sold all his interests in the record company it was making colossal losses, decade after decade. His golden egg is the song publishing which will continue to make his family rich for generations to come.

Artistically I find the 'hit' era (1965-68) the least interesting and can have sympathy with those who feel that the productions and songs of Holland-Dozier-Holland at the time when The Supremes and Four Tops couldn't fail are often banal and formulaic. What came immediately either side of that is often wonderful. The early Miracles, Marvelettes, Mary Wells, Temptations and Mabel John records are beautiful transitional R&B with a very distinct flavour. The late 1960s and early 70s saw the company release a high volume of very high quality and often very individual soul music from a maturing roster which included talents as rounded and visionary as Marvin Gaye and Stevie Wonder and other great material sung by some of the greatest voices Black America ever produced in G.C. Cameron, David Ruffin etc.

Also worth bearing in mind that this was a Black owned and staffed corporation, something which cannot be said of competitors like Stax, Atlantic, Fame and Hi who are often cited as being somehow 'rootsier'.

 

#14 2010-08-10 07:42:55

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Very good post Brother.


some sort of banal legitimacy

 

#15 2010-08-10 07:46:54

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Oddly enough, I liked 'There's A Ghost In My House'.  My grandmother changed his sheets when he was staying at the hotel she worked in.

 

#16 2010-08-10 07:49:32

Hard Bop Hank
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#17 2010-08-10 08:33:26

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Re: Motown

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#18 2010-08-10 09:01:11

Hard Bop Hank
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Re: Motown

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“No Room For Squares”
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"Would there be any freedom of press or speech if one must reduce his vocabulary to vapid innocuous euphemisms?"

 

#19 2010-08-10 10:56:42

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#20 2010-08-10 10:57:45

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...  which wouldn't have been a bad thing...

 

#21 2010-08-10 11:28:12

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