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#1 2010-08-06 00:43:18

Rip Rig & Panic
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Jeans

I expect most of us own a pair.  What for? 

They were the bane of my life circa 1973.  You had to have 'red tag', as the junior bootboys called them.  Anything else got you more or less laughed off the park:  'Cheap jeans': off the market: all some kids' parents could afford, or were prepared to afford.  Rarely have I hated Elms more than when he's having a tantrum over 'the wrong jeans' - those bought for him by his hard-working mother.  What an arsehole. 

I can no longer take them seriously.  I own a pair, one pair, of L.L.Bean.  Ho hum, as macabee might say.  These, as it happens, were made in Mexico and were bought cheap off Ebay.  I wear them with just about anything.  A Brooks navy cashmere sweater is a favourite: dressing down dressing up or what-have-you. 

I wouldn't even know where the Levis kids made so much fuss about on the park and at school were made.  The USA?  Wranglers were seen as definitely second best, and I'd never heard of Lee Riders.  Later, complete squares were into 501s.  I bought a pair in 1978 for 10 pence from a boxing club jumble sale and wore them until they fell to pieces. 

You've got to have something for knocking about in.  But why all the palaver?  Is it just because they're 'classic Americana'?  I've seen the prices deadstock can fetch - even know of someone who sold a pair for hundreds of dollars.  Wear 'em to the pub and some idiot burns them with his fag end...

Even my grandmother wore denim.

 

#2 2010-08-06 00:44:23

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Re: Jeans

Oh, yes, I did all that shrinking business in the bath...

 

#3 2010-08-06 02:23:53

Kingstonian
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Re: Jeans

Haven't worn blue jeans for years.

Jeremy Clarkson associations. Dress your age and all that. Cheap black jeans are somehow different. Anyway, trousers are now the same price as jeans and better looking.

 

#4 2010-08-06 02:28:29

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#5 2010-08-06 03:33:21

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#6 2010-08-06 04:07:42

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#7 2010-08-06 05:49:02

Hard Bop Hank
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Re: Jeans


“No Room For Squares”
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"Would there be any freedom of press or speech if one must reduce his vocabulary to vapid innocuous euphemisms?"

 

#8 2010-08-06 05:50:53

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#9 2010-08-06 06:02:39

Hard Bop Hank
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“No Room For Squares”
”All political art is bad – all good art is political.”
"Would there be any freedom of press or speech if one must reduce his vocabulary to vapid innocuous euphemisms?"

 

#10 2010-08-06 06:06:30

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The chances of me, at my time of life, sitting for an hour or two in a tub of cold water are as remote as attending a Ku Klux Klan rally dressed as a rabbi.

 

#11 2010-08-06 06:17:23

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#12 2010-08-06 06:18:03

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Re: Jeans

you dont need to sit in the bath with stf,just size up and machine wash.  Levis Cap E blue denim for me, I dont bother with anything else.
if its cords or white tab im not bothered. lee,wrangler.


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#13 2010-08-06 06:25:26

Hard Bop Hank
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“No Room For Squares”
”All political art is bad – all good art is political.”
"Would there be any freedom of press or speech if one must reduce his vocabulary to vapid innocuous euphemisms?"

 

#14 2010-08-08 22:13:11

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I brush my teeth with minty paste/I hate when Liquor goes to waste.

 

#15 2010-08-09 03:34:19

nouvelle vague
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^ yes thats the non selvadge standard levis stuff sm. I got a pair of those stf in the states last year for $35.00 , cuts not great.
The lvc selvadge, made in usa or japan, is 'bout $ 150.00 a pop. 
Thats the reson people shell out I guess. cut & fit.


'Jean-Paul Sartre and john lee hooker'

 

#16 2010-08-09 07:07:22

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#17 2010-08-09 08:30:21

Get Smart
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Funny thing is I think the Brits might be the reason for denim being turned into a "fashion" item, since it seems clear that the 60s mods and subsequently 60s skinhead put a fair amount of pedigree on wearing "Levis".  Not just denim but "levis" brand, thereby turning it into the 1st designer denim.

I've always had an existential crisis of jeans vs trousers myself.  I prefer trousers in general, but jeans are just so easy to wear and still look smart if you have the right pair.  No need to fuss with jeans, if they get spilled not a problem, if they get dirty not a problem.  There's less preciousness to jeans than a good trouser.  And most importantly, denim (along with leather) is the only cloth that looks better with age, as it gets worn in and beaten up.  That's the appeal of high quality denim, to get that worn in patina over time.

as far as historical selvedge reproductions, there is a misconception that you're paying for "quality".  No not really, sure the quality is there, but those jeans arent made to last any longer necessarily than a $20 pair from Walmart, they are made to nearly exact historical process reproduction, which means slow weaving shuttle looms that can only make a small amount of fabric per hour, stitching processes, riveting etc.  This results in a time costly product made in small amounts so the price is higher as a result.  But that doesnt mean they are rip proof as many mistakenly assume, it just means they copied a manufacturing process that is lost with time.

 

#18 2010-08-09 08:45:24

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'Red tag', as they were invariably known in the town where I first saw the light of day circa 1970 (born 1959).  We'd never come across the term 'fetishistic' then, but that's what it was - and for all other 'cool' skinhead gear like Fred Perry and Ben Sherman.  Denim dungarees - called 'Bleeders' - quickly came and went.  Silly bastards were forever trying to cut off one another's tags because there was a rumour if you collected a certain amount you got a free pair of Levis etc. etc. like kids collecting the tokens for a free Action Man. 
I'd blame the Japanese for some of this 21st century malarkey.  No, 'blame' is the wrong word.  As Big Tony says, there are ways of parting well-off people from their hard-earned folding stuff.  I guess it's called 'consumer choice' - much of it, in this instance, posited on making some chappie think he's going to look like Steve McQueen circa 1963.

 

#19 2010-08-09 08:52:23

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A lot of it, a la Elmsy, was about how much your long-suffering mummy was willing to fork out in order to keep you sweet.  Some of the poorest kids had the best gear.  I was more likely to get a smack round the ear than Levis, Saxone loafers, DMs etc. etc.  My mum had 'aspirations', you see, and these involved 'sensible black shoes'.

 

#20 2010-08-09 08:54:39

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#21 2010-08-09 08:58:07

Rip Rig & Panic
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Funny, isn't it, that you now see that fucking tag everywhere.  I've been in these Oxfam clothes shops where they've got 501s (or whatever) piled up to the ceiling.  Marc Feld must be spinning in his grave.

 

#22 2010-08-12 07:18:39

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Re: Jeans

I've spent at least the past two years looking for alternatives.  Good chinos.

 

#23 2010-08-12 07:23:24

Hard Bop Hank
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Re: Jeans

I still wear blue jeans or needlecords quite regularly... I think of them as something completely different as Chinos...


“No Room For Squares”
”All political art is bad – all good art is political.”
"Would there be any freedom of press or speech if one must reduce his vocabulary to vapid innocuous euphemisms?"

 

#24 2010-08-12 07:26:04

Hard Bop Hank
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Re: Jeans


“No Room For Squares”
”All political art is bad – all good art is political.”
"Would there be any freedom of press or speech if one must reduce his vocabulary to vapid innocuous euphemisms?"

 

#25 2010-08-12 07:26:48

Rip Rig & Panic
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Re: Jeans

Needlecords can be nice.  Avoid Vineyard Vines.  Preppy femmy.

 

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