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#1 2010-09-18 17:31:49

Toffeeman
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Marsh and Gaul interviewed

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter … 80204.html

in today's independent on sunday.

TM

 

#2 2010-09-18 17:55:57

farrago
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Re: Marsh and Gaul interviewed

Thanks for the link.


De gustibus non disputandum est.

 

#3 2010-09-18 19:14:55

Gone_to_Gowings
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Re: Marsh and Gaul interviewed

Thanks from me also, Toffeeman, I was wondering how I would be able to get my hands on the interview content from below the Tropic of Cancer.

By the way, if you are wondering how far afield the tendrils of 'The Ivy look' have been creeping, I placed an order for two copies with a local bookseller in Sydney last weekend who told me Thames and Hudson are handling its distribution in Australia and a shipment is expected in at the end of this month.

 

#4 2010-09-19 02:53:17

Kingstonian
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Re: Marsh and Gaul interviewed

Article written by the love child of Lena Horne and Alexis Korner?

Parsons Green has a very nice pub, but unfortunately it tends to be overrun with the same jeunesse doree

 

#5 2010-09-19 04:04:01

4F Hepcat
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Re: Marsh and Gaul interviewed

I see Shamrockmonkey gets a mention, but not by name.

Why Ivy-Style.com and not the Ivy League Look?


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#6 2010-09-19 06:47:29

Fred
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Re: Marsh and Gaul interviewed

Very nice indeed.

 

#7 2010-09-19 08:04:33

colin
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Re: Marsh and Gaul interviewed

A nice read. I think it comes across well, not snobbish, rather emphasises that 'being sussed' (for want of a better word) is crucial. Detail. Good to see Shamrock Monkey gets recognisition (almost anyway)

 

#8 2010-09-19 09:11:39

4F Hepcat
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Re: Marsh and Gaul interviewed

Shamrockmonkey is a thrifting and literary genius.


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#9 2010-09-19 13:15:47

Alex Roest
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Re: Marsh and Gaul interviewed

4F Hepcat wrote:

I see Shamrockmonkey gets a mention, but not by name.

Could be me but I didn't get the website reference?

 

#10 2010-09-19 13:43:38

Taylor McIntyre
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Re: Marsh and Gaul interviewed

Toffeeman wrote:

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/features/league-of-gentlemen-how-to-get-the-effortlessly-cool-style-of-paul-newman-and-steve-mcqueen-2080204.html

in today's independent on sunday.

TM

Bows.

John, you're an international treasure. You were in your Buffalo Creek Traders I guess?

Respect!

 

#11 2010-09-20 08:40:53

Rip Rig & Panic
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Re: Marsh and Gaul interviewed

The Gospel According to John.

Which one, I can't help wondering?

 

#12 2010-09-20 09:55:40

Big Tony
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Re: Marsh and Gaul interviewed

The shoe in question was produced by an American company called Alden, founded in New England more than 100 years ago. "They make the best footwear," says Marsh, "They're spot on. The cat's whiskers."

that's an embarrassing thing to say

the mysticism about learing some code is also weird, it's not that hard


"What sort of post-apocalyptic deathscape is this?"
"I don't want to look like a cock hungry sailor after all !!!"
"When it comes to infidelity, broken families, and reckless fatherhood, the underclass are amateurs."

 

#13 2010-09-20 12:10:20

Rip Rig & Panic
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Re: Marsh and Gaul interviewed

Masonic handshake ritual.

"By thy loafers thou shalt be known".

 

#14 2010-09-20 12:50:30

Alex Roest
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Re: Marsh and Gaul interviewed

Big Tony wrote:

the mysticism about learing some code is also weird, it's not that hard

Agreed. Carrying out properly what one has learned is a bit harder though...

 

#15 2010-09-21 01:46:19

Rip Rig & Panic
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Re: Marsh and Gaul interviewed

I love the book.  I have two copies, in fact, one on the shelf, the other on my bedside table.  I wonder if it might have unforeseen consequences.  An awful lot of leftist bollocks in the subtext of the interview, though.  What if Ronald Reagan had worn Ivy better than Jack Kennedy?  Marsh and Gaul appear to have made their mind up about the world in a kind of manichaean fashion - a kind of Democrats hooray, Republicans boo-hiss duality - that grows increasingly predictable and tedious.  It reminds me of the simplistic views on Vietnam I heard at university.  Gaul, lecturing the working classes on working class values from 'comfy', 'bourgeois' Stoke Newington is like the middle-class Labour politicians I've known my entire adult life.  He probably has a wine rack and a fine collection of pulses in glass jars in the Papas Got  brand New Bag. 
As to the 'mystique', this strikes me as a very English take on the style.  If I pull on a decent make of polo shirt, a pair of Bean jeans and hammered US made All Stars am I then 'Ivy'?  If I am, well, there then, there was nothing too difficult about that after all, was there?  If I'm not, well, what am I?  'Sussed'?  I'm afraid Big Tony is correct in much of what he says.  Sorry.

 

#16 2010-09-21 02:05:44

Alex Roest
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Re: Marsh and Gaul interviewed

Rip Rig & Panic wrote:

An awful lot of leftist bollocks in the subtext of the interview, though.  What if Ronald Reagan had worn Ivy better than Jack Kennedy?  Marsh and Gaul appear to have made their mind up about the world in a kind of manichaean fashion - a kind of Democrats hooray, Republicans boo-hiss duality - that grows increasingly predictable and tedious.

Another fine post I think. I love the book and I love The Look but that's about it I'm afraid. All it takes to 'get it right' is dedication as has been mentioned so often...

 

#17 2010-09-21 02:15:06

Moose Maclennan
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Re: Marsh and Gaul interviewed

Re. the 'mysticism': Guys are flogging a book, a bit of snake-oil will surely do no harm...

That the book is bit 'London-centric' is not a surprise, what else could it be? But what's the worst you can say about it? It's the 'UK' chapter in The Big Book Of Ivy. They certainly don't make any bones about the fact that their take is purely subjective.


'You know there are some of us that are just fated to look like a mini-cab driver. It doesn't matter what clothes you put on, or how much you pay for them, you're still going to look like a mini-cab driver.' (John Peel)

 

#18 2010-09-21 02:30:41

Kingstonian
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Re: Marsh and Gaul interviewed

Rip Rig & Panic wrote:

Gaul, lecturing the working classes on working class values from 'comfy', 'bourgeois' Stoke Newington is like the middle-class Labour politicians I've known my entire adult life.  He probably has a wine rack and a fine collection of pulses in glass jars in the Papas Got  brand New Bag. 
As to the 'mystique', this strikes me as a very English take on the style.  If I pull on a decent make of polo shirt, a pair of Bean jeans and hammered US made All Stars am I then 'Ivy'?  If I am, well, there then, there was nothing too difficult about that after all, was there?  If I'm not, well, what am I?  'Sussed'?  I'm afraid Big Tony is correct in much of what he says.  Sorry.

Is Stoke Newington 'comfy' and 'bourgeois'? Genuine question. I don't know. Kingston is.

I remember coming back from White Hart Lane by bus recently. It is badly served by trains and tubes and it was raining so I hopped on a bus. The journey seemed to last forever, past endless takeaway shops and desperate looking places until the end of the Essex Road and the Angel, Islington which was familiar and within my comfort zone.

I always had Stoke Newington down as similar to Hackney - a bit 'edgy' for those who like to think they are 'keeping it real'.

Last edited by Kingstonian (2010-09-21 02:31:12)

 

#19 2010-09-21 02:37:17

Kingstonian
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Re: Marsh and Gaul interviewed

ps I only just watched the DVD 'Abigails Party' that I bought with the Ivy book. A very 1970s take on class and suburban bourgeois behaviour. Still very funny. The Beverley character is now apparently a gay icon. Laurence sports a very fine wide lapel suit, moustache and sideburns.

I wish I could buy 'Grown Ups'. That was just as funny. The BBC stuff was far better than Leigh's film work.

 

#20 2010-09-21 02:41:09

Alex Roest
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Re: Marsh and Gaul interviewed

Moose Maclennan wrote:

Re. the 'mysticism': Guys are flogging a book, a bit of snake-oil will surely do no harm...

They certainly don't make any bones about the fact that their take is purely subjective.

Good comment. Could be another interesting thread as far as the influence of 'The Ivy Look' goes. A bit of romanticising is not necessarily a bad thing but ideologising could be...

 

#21 2010-09-21 02:48:07

Toffeeman
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Re: Marsh and Gaul interviewed

RR&P invites polemic but will not receive it. I offer only the following :

1. Graham is a very unpolitical animal. Do not include him in any of this.
2. The journo wrote the article, has her take on things, edits and selects to craft and angle. Even direct quotes are kind of messed around with. Nothing could possibly be a pure reflection of our feelings. I think she did a really good job.
3. Stoke Newington is very mixed. It has gentrified in the last 20/30 years but it remains the typical London combination of wealth and poverty side by side.
4. How the world viewed America when I got into the clothes in 1985 was completely different to how America was perceived and represented in 1960 when Graham was getting into it all. Forget about politics, let's just agree that mid century America produced some magic which so many of us, Ivy fans or not, still hark back to 50/60 years later. Who pines for the visual culture of 1980s America, perhaps hip hop culture aside?
5. This is the internet. None of this really matters. I don't know any of you! We hide behind masks, play games, assume postures. It's like being a teenager again, a glorious release at times. But it has to be seen in its context.

TM

 

#22 2010-09-21 03:29:31

Harpo
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Re: Marsh and Gaul interviewed

^ That's from the horses mouth, right there. Lets also not forget that mad cow who's now representing the Republicans in Delaware - there is a very poisonous strand in conservative American politics.


Cooked salad should be made illegal.

 

#23 2010-09-21 03:34:30

Alex Roest
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Re: Marsh and Gaul interviewed

Toffeeman wrote:

Forget about politics, let's just agree that mid century America produced some magic which so many of us, Ivy fans or not, still hark back to 50/60 years later. Who pines for the visual culture of 1980s America, perhaps hip hop culture aside?
5. This is the internet. It's like being a teenager again, a glorious release at times. But it has to be seen in its context.

Word. Hopefully 'The Ivy Look' will be highly influential as for what is put in italics alright...

 

#24 2010-09-21 04:16:44

Rip Rig & Panic
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Re: Marsh and Gaul interviewed

shamrockmonkey wrote:

Rip Rig & Panic wrote:

I love the book.  I have two copies, in fact, one on the shelf, the other on my bedside table.  I wonder if it might have unforeseen consequences.  An awful lot of leftist bollocks in the subtext of the interview, though.  What if Ronald Reagan had worn Ivy better than Jack Kennedy?  Marsh and Gaul appear to have made their mind up about the world in a kind of manichaean fashion - a kind of Democrats hooray, Republicans boo-hiss duality - that grows increasingly predictable and tedious.  It reminds me of the simplistic views on Vietnam I heard at university.  Gaul, lecturing the working classes on working class values from 'comfy', 'bourgeois' Stoke Newington is like the middle-class Labour politicians I've known my entire adult life.  He probably has a wine rack and a fine collection of pulses in glass jars in the Papas Got  brand New Bag. 
As to the 'mystique', this strikes me as a very English take on the style.  If I pull on a decent make of polo shirt, a pair of Bean jeans and hammered US made All Stars am I then 'Ivy'?  If I am, well, there then, there was nothing too difficult about that after all, was there?  If I'm not, well, what am I?  'Sussed'?  I'm afraid Big Tony is correct in much of what he says.  Sorry.

This is from the guy who was admiring good old adlai stevenson a month or two ago?

you need to visit america, andy. take in some talk radio. your take on the neocons reminds me of those countrymen of yours who pined for mussolini during the 30s.

This is prime bullshit.  Reread the original 'style over substance'-type posting.  It was a comment on Stevenson's shoe.

 

#25 2010-09-21 04:18:22

Rip Rig & Panic
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Re: Marsh and Gaul interviewed

Toffeeman wrote:

RR&P invites polemic but will not receive it. I offer only the following :

1. Graham is a very unpolitical animal. Do not include him in any of this.
2. The journo wrote the article, has her take on things, edits and selects to craft and angle. Even direct quotes are kind of messed around with. Nothing could possibly be a pure reflection of our feelings. I think she did a really good job.
3. Stoke Newington is very mixed. It has gentrified in the last 20/30 years but it remains the typical London combination of wealth and poverty side by side.
4. How the world viewed America when I got into the clothes in 1985 was completely different to how America was perceived and represented in 1960 when Graham was getting into it all. Forget about politics, let's just agree that mid century America produced some magic which so many of us, Ivy fans or not, still hark back to 50/60 years later. Who pines for the visual culture of 1980s America, perhaps hip hop culture aside?
5. This is the internet. None of this really matters. I don't know any of you! We hide behind masks, play games, assume postures. It's like being a teenager again, a glorious release at times. But it has to be seen in its context.

TM

If Graham is a very unpolitical animal does he also stand accused of the very passivity I was being accused of not so long ago?

 

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