There may not be too much more, in some ways, to say about this quintessential 60s movie. Apart from the fact that it is an interesting assault upon 'Ivy League values': the eltism, the work ethos, the exam treadmill, the old boy network that can be a double-edged sword. Certainly Dustin Hoffman's clothes are very good to look at; and so is Katherine Ross. But it amply demonstrates how, in England, the original Ivy contingent wrenched The Look away from its originators and overlaid it with a much hipper, anti-establishment covering. You'll read claims that the original mods were not anti-establishment, and that they wanted to get on in life - how could you afford the gear if you didn't earn money? - but Ivy modernism had that slightly subversive edge that laid its claim to all those other interesting qualities in life: sun, foreign places like Italy, art, architecture and design, books and - maybe most importantly - music. Certainly you had to make a living, in order to enjoy those things, but 'Esquire' often painted a picture of the American male being totally exhausted come Friday evening, fit only for a game of golf and a whisky and soda in the company of like-minded people. No Soho, no Bar Italia, no Rays, no John's... no London Ivy 'circuit'... just a weekend spent in preparation for Monday morning. And the clothes, of course, were not even Ivy any longer...
Alex has just referred to the very classy study of Hoffman in The Ivy Look. What else was he seen wearing during the course of the movie?
A task for Gone to Gowings?
My favourite film....off the top of my head he wears -
Navy blazer, yellow or ecru button down shirt(doesn't look like Brooks?), great navy/yellow/silver tie in an English stripe I think, light grey trousers and black loafers of some kind.
Grey herringbone jacket(darted, soft shoulder, patch pockets), blue button down, black knit tie, dark grey flannels(cuffed?) and black loafers again.
Goldy/fawny cord jacket(two button, darted), blue shirt and dark grey flannels.
Goldy/fawny cord jacket, dark green polo, faded jeans and I would imagine he wore shoes but I don't know which ones. Anybody?
When he takes out Elaine he wears a seersucker jacket, blue shirt and black knit tie again, right? There's a picture somewhere or Dustin wearing something similar - was this taken on set? Could be the same gear...
That strange beige parka and chinos combination when he's chasing her down...Nvm...
The campus scenes were filmed at the University of Southern California and Berkeley. Hardly the most Ivy of locations.
Was the point that Benjamin was returning from the Ivy east coast to the brasher west? I don't know.
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Aah the buckle on the swim shorts!
O'Connells had some deadstock ones...http://shop.oconnellsclothing.com/swimwear.php?nOffset=0&nLimit=20
^Exemplary work, sir. An excellent post! I'm currently lying here on the sofa laid low with the flu (man flu!?) but this has revived me no end. Thank you.
Staceyboy
G T G, how do you do that? No seriously how did you manage that?
^ Watch on computer, pause, grab stills, edit, save, upload?
There are various ways to grab stills from movies.
Good job GTG.
Great work! We should do this with more films.
Never cared for Dustin Hoffman.
Never cared for 'The Graduate'
Would not want to follow his dress style. Too much of a nebbish.
/\ hey it works, though I guess GTG compressed the file?
Also noticed I have a ghost rectangular snip on each frame (assuming thats some sort of copyright type protection thing?)
Any tips on how to tidy this up would be gratefully recieved.
Apologies for hijacking the thread.
I've been trying this all afternoon but getting nowhere! I'm back in work tomorrow so I'll pick the I.T. guy's brains if he's around. Just can't seem to be able to grab the image from the screen...?? Probably missing something obvious as per.
Staceyboy
Hi Prof Kelp,
The DVD screenshots are captured essentially using the same sequence of steps described by 1966 above. I use some utilities in my desktop PC operating system (a Linux distribution) to pause, snapshot, save to disk, and edit the screen image file , but the actual computer operating system is not critical as Microsoft Windows and Macintosh operating systems also have utilities either built in or alternative software freely downloadable to perform similar functions.
I am not sure what software you are using to capture the screen samples you have uploaded/pasted, but I suspect the ghostly 'rectangular snip' title embedded in each screenshot is an artefact of the specific software being used (and is probably avoidable if you experiment with some of the software settings offline.) You may have pasted the image directly from your DVD viewing application, and not saved the image first to a file on your hard drive which would allow editing / cropping of the image to be performed at your leisure without needing the original source video to be handy.
Have a look at this Wikipedia topic and it may give you some further pointers on methods/third-party tools available for your operating system
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screenshot
The other forum-based procedure I use , once logged in to FNB, is to upload the saved image file from my PC via this forum link
http://forums.filmnoirbuff.com/uploadimg.php
as this also generates code for two forum 'links' to the uploaded (on the FNB server) screenshot file that you can then paste in to your own post on a thread topic. This takes care of presenting a dual image size - one thumbnail image to reduce initial data downloaded to viewers of the thread , and the larger image file available if a thread reader wants to click their mouse on a thumbnail picture to view more detail.
Hope this may be useful for images you wish to contribute.
Regards,
Gone to Gowings
So what films shall we do next?