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#101 2011-04-02 02:47:59

Kenneth Rexroth
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#102 2011-04-02 02:50:27

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#103 2011-04-02 02:51:43

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#104 2011-04-02 02:55:05

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#105 2011-04-02 02:59:25

Hard Bop Hank
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Re: NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS- HERE'S THE ORIGINALS!


“No Room For Squares”
”All political art is bad – all good art is political.”
"Would there be any freedom of press or speech if one must reduce his vocabulary to vapid innocuous euphemisms?"

 

#106 2011-04-02 03:04:02

Hard Bop Hank
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Re: NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS- HERE'S THE ORIGINALS!


“No Room For Squares”
”All political art is bad – all good art is political.”
"Would there be any freedom of press or speech if one must reduce his vocabulary to vapid innocuous euphemisms?"

 

#107 2011-04-02 03:06:03

Hard Bop Hank
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Re: NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS- HERE'S THE ORIGINALS!


“No Room For Squares”
”All political art is bad – all good art is political.”
"Would there be any freedom of press or speech if one must reduce his vocabulary to vapid innocuous euphemisms?"

 

#108 2011-04-02 03:12:04

Kenneth Rexroth
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#109 2011-04-02 03:14:29

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#110 2011-04-02 03:29:59

Hard Bop Hank
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Re: NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS- HERE'S THE ORIGINALS!


“No Room For Squares”
”All political art is bad – all good art is political.”
"Would there be any freedom of press or speech if one must reduce his vocabulary to vapid innocuous euphemisms?"

 

#111 2011-04-02 03:34:31

Hard Bop Hank
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From: land of a 1000 dances
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Re: NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS- HERE'S THE ORIGINALS!


“No Room For Squares”
”All political art is bad – all good art is political.”
"Would there be any freedom of press or speech if one must reduce his vocabulary to vapid innocuous euphemisms?"

 

#112 2011-04-02 03:58:48

Kenneth Rexroth
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#113 2011-04-02 04:00:44

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#114 2011-04-02 04:01:44

Taylor McIntyre
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#115 2011-04-02 04:02:05

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#116 2011-04-02 04:03:21

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#117 2011-04-02 04:04:39

Taylor McIntyre
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Does it hurt that you can't make me, thick boy?  wink

 

#118 2011-04-02 05:09:33

Hard Bop Hank
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From: land of a 1000 dances
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Re: NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS- HERE'S THE ORIGINALS!


“No Room For Squares”
”All political art is bad – all good art is political.”
"Would there be any freedom of press or speech if one must reduce his vocabulary to vapid innocuous euphemisms?"

 

#119 2011-04-02 05:13:15

Hard Bop Hank
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From: land of a 1000 dances
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Re: NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS- HERE'S THE ORIGINALS!


“No Room For Squares”
”All political art is bad – all good art is political.”
"Would there be any freedom of press or speech if one must reduce his vocabulary to vapid innocuous euphemisms?"

 

#120 2011-04-02 05:15:20

Hard Bop Hank
Ivy Soul Brother
From: land of a 1000 dances
Posts: 4923

Re: NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS- HERE'S THE ORIGINALS!


“No Room For Squares”
”All political art is bad – all good art is political.”
"Would there be any freedom of press or speech if one must reduce his vocabulary to vapid innocuous euphemisms?"

 

#121 2011-04-02 07:24:05

Taylor McIntyre
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Re: NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS- HERE'S THE ORIGINALS!

I think the key thing with the tangential Beat connection is that it broadens the conversation. It's another angle to add. And that's what we do here.

 

#122 2011-04-03 05:34:16

Hard Bop Hank
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Re: NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS- HERE'S THE ORIGINALS!

A Brief Guide to Men's Fashions Unravels The Deep Mysteries of All Those 'Looks'
By Susan M. Rogers,
Published: Friday, October 04, 1963

Men's clothing can be confusing. The wide variety of makes, cuts, weaves, and patterns presents an enigma to the prospective buyer of a suit. As a result, he will often remain in a rut. Yet, with a little background, the uninitiated can differentiate quality products from inferior ones and can select clothes that are both smart and congenial.

First of all, the erroneous preconceptions of the Ivy League look must be erased. "Ivy League" refers to a bastardized version of the natural shoulder model, first produced on a mass scale about 1938. Prior to that time, only Brooks Brothers and J. Press promoted the natural shoulder. These stores derived the Ivy look from the five button suits with narrow lapels worn by fashionable late Victorians in the 1890's. Since 1950, the natural shoulder model has changed little with the exception of narrower lapels, shorter coats, and slimmer trousers.

Warwick vs. Andover

There are two distinct models of the natural shoulder with gradations in between. The Warwick model, as one manufacturer calls it, has a high and not overly narrow lapel, a rounded bottom to the jacket, and the first button is set slightly above the pocket.

On the Andover model the buttons begin lower, the lapel is longer and narrower, and the cut of the bottom of the jacket is squarer, giving a less sporty look than the Warwick suit.

Both styles omit waist suppression, narrowing the middle by darts over the side pockets. Unpleated trousers are an important concomitant of the natural shoulder look.

Worn by about nine out of ten Harvard men, the Ivy look is smart and trim. It is supposed to make a man look masculine without the phoniness of padding. However, these effects are attained only by wearing a natural shoulder model which suits you. The Warwick model is slightly clubbier than the Andover model which hints of Madison Avenue. Both are appropriate for almost every occasion the college man encounters.

For dressier wear, however, some men like a suit along the lines of JFK's semi-lounge model (two buttons, longer lapels, some waist suppression, and a bit more shoulder padding). Either the Warwick or Andover models are far better for the occasional suit buyer with a limited amount of interest, time, and money.

Hopsack and Tweeds

A coarse material from England called hopsack will be important again this season. It is woven from a six-ply yarn rather than the two-ply yarn used in most cloth, making a loose but warm weave.

Another popular fabric -- a rich tweed -- comes from the improbably isle of Skye off the Scottish coast. Supposedly this tweed is hand woven on cottage looms, and hence is more "authentic" than the Harris tweed it resembles. Synthetic blends such as sharkskin, and stretch materials have gained popularity because they shed wrinkles and fit smooth.

Colors will be lighter this season. Charcoal is giving way to dark gray, and even light gray. "Bottle green," possibly named after the shade of English beer bottles, promises to be popular for blazers, and there are indications a reddish maroon called cranberry will also find favor. Blue, especially in tweeds, will appear frequently.

Double-breasted blazers, long popular with the international sporting crowd, have not yet made their mark on ivy-laden New England. About 1950 the double breasted suit died, and only a handful of avant-garde types around here have recently picked it up again.

Back to Bogie

Prior to the natural shoulder suit, the draped look or "lounge suit" enjoyed popularity. Considerably padded shoulders, waist suppression, and a jacket length a little longer than is now in vogue were its most prominent features. Wide, pleated, and cuffed pants also characterized this look, now to be seen only during exam period in Bogie flicks.

The English coat combines features of the "lounge suit," such as waist suppression, flared bottoms, and wide pleated trousers with tastefully narrow, almost natural shoulders. The supposedly widespread appeal of the English look comes from its narrow lapels and association with tweeds.

On the whole there is very little inspiration in British menswear. Three manufacturers produce about 90% of the garments, and little variation appears from year to year. Superior, richer fabrics enhance English coats, regardless of the style, and their suits no longer sport baggy trousers.

Continental

The Italian suit, a forcrunner of the continental look, is more fitted in shape. Its coat is a version of the in shape. Its coat is a version of the British model in lighter, less rich materials. The Italian suit was a flop here.

The continental look launched five years ago never got off the ground beyond Madison Avenue which endorses this narrow, narrow look. Similar to the English coat, but shorter and boxier in appearance, it is otherwise chiefly distinguishable by its slanted pockets, and ultra slender appearance, and fabric.

You need not be wealthy to dress well, and of course, you need not be "in style" to be successful. With both money and interest you will certainly dress fashionably. But if you have neither, yet you care, the best thing to do is to take along a sartorially inclined girl when you go shopping. 

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1963/10/4/a-brief-guide-to-mens-fashio ns/


“No Room For Squares”
”All political art is bad – all good art is political.”
"Would there be any freedom of press or speech if one must reduce his vocabulary to vapid innocuous euphemisms?"

 

#123 2011-04-03 05:40:54

Hard Bop Hank
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From: land of a 1000 dances
Posts: 4923

Re: NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS- HERE'S THE ORIGINALS!

some more great stuff from our archives:

http://forums.filmnoirbuff.com/viewtopic.php?id=5862

Playboy Fall Fashion Preview 1965


http://forums.filmnoirbuff.com/viewtopic.php?pid=81232

Playboy Fashion Articles - 1954-1959.


“No Room For Squares”
”All political art is bad – all good art is political.”
"Would there be any freedom of press or speech if one must reduce his vocabulary to vapid innocuous euphemisms?"

 

#124 2011-04-03 05:50:06

Hard Bop Hank
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From: land of a 1000 dances
Posts: 4923

Re: NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS- HERE'S THE ORIGINALS!

something about the French connection

from this old thread:

http://forums.filmnoirbuff.com/viewtopic.php?id=818


Post WWII France (and Paris in particular) was a difficult place to be young and stylish...

Everything was in short supply and nothing was quite right. This is the period just after the liberation, but before Christian Dior's (If you've got it flaunt it) 'New Look' of 1947 and the 'Marshall Plan' of the same year. 
In just the same way that they did in England and elsewhere all over Europe, smart young kids had been going up to GIs and 'trading' with them for Levis, Coke, American cut casual clothes, amphetamines and certain items of Military issue uniform that caught the young stylists eyes. This had been going on ever since the liberation. Sometimes this trading was sexual, sometimes not... 

In August of 1945 the American Army decided to sell off 4 Million items of Military equipment from Jeeps to Khakis probably because it was cheaper than carting it all back home with them, and the first Army surplus store opened in Paris in 1946. Now everybody could cheaply snap up these exotic imports and they all did. 
Olive green & khaki were suddenly everywhere. Socks, undershirts, khaki shirts, sweaters & pullovers sold by the ton. Albert Camus loved the Khaki shirts and was often seen out and about in them...
Then there were Chino shirts, Field jackets, Herringbone fatigue jackets, Green armored-division zipper jackets, US Air Force flight jackets in rich brown leather, the whole shebang.
Duffel coats (although not American) were also huge at this time, as were 'Canadiennes' - really cool, yet warm, button front, mid-thigh length jackets originally made from goat-skin but soon available in corduroy, moleskin, gabardine, even "fur-lined suede adorned with collars of Golden Fleece" by '48. 
All of this stuff fed into the cafes, bars and clubs of Saint-Germain-des-Pres, especially the 'Tabou' club in '47.

Pre-Tabou in Saint-Germain people went to Les Duex Magots, the Cafe de Flore & the Bar Vert. '47 onwards everybody was down Tabou and its other cellar-club imitators (Lorientais & the Mephisto, then later the Saint-Germain-des-Pres club, the Vieux-Colombier & the Rose Rouge). Tabou opened in April of '47 and by May it was in the papers & the term 'Existentialists' was being used to describe the mix of fashionable people down the clubs by the press. The club waxed & waned and by August '47 it had peaked with the originators moving on and leaving the scene to the new-comers who had read all about it in the papers. Even the old Army surplus look was left behind soon after everybody else started wearing it. 

And so at this point the well known 'Existentialist Look' (forunner to the 'Beat' & 'Beatnik' looks) was born in the cellars of Saint-Germain. Everything that Fred & Audrey had such fun with in 'Funny Face' kicks in now. April in Paris of '47 was checked shirts & Army gear mixed in with U.S. 'Bobby-Soxer' style - Sneakers, crew cuts, Bing & Mr. Sinatra along with a lot of American Jazz. August of '47 that whole look was now a cliche and the smart kids had moved on to Black jeans, ski-pants, black shirts, black or Navy blue heavy guage sweaters with zips at the neck and the black polo-neck sweater - the most 'Existentialist' wardrobe item of all! The only thing the same was the Jazz.

This look in turn would become a cliche and would be dropped but it was cool for a while back in the day and remains an iconic style of dress today summing up that whole world of sunglasses indoors at midnight in smokey cellar Jazz clubs. Hip.

Why is this interesting? Well maybe it isn't. It's very Modernist though... Modern Jazz, GIs, American import clothes, a club scene, the originators of the styles forever moving on as soon as others had caught up with them, restless post-war youth, etc. All the cliches are there to be seen. Later on in '62 the descendants of these Paris stylists would be spearheading the 'Minet' style. Another manifestation of the same phenomenon. 

(As with the 'Les Minets' thread the outline here is from Farid Chenoune's 'History of Men's Fashion' fleshed out by conversations with M. Jean Reuben, Paris - To whom many thanks.)

and on the minets:

http://forums.filmnoirbuff.com/viewtopic.php?id=3396

http://paris70.free.fr/minets.htm



Parlez Vous Cool?

http://forums.filmnoirbuff.com/viewtopic.php?id=202

Last edited by Hard Bop Hank (2011-04-03 05:51:59)


“No Room For Squares”
”All political art is bad – all good art is political.”
"Would there be any freedom of press or speech if one must reduce his vocabulary to vapid innocuous euphemisms?"

 

#125 2011-04-03 05:57:26

Hard Bop Hank
Ivy Soul Brother
From: land of a 1000 dances
Posts: 4923

Re: NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS- HERE'S THE ORIGINALS!


“No Room For Squares”
”All political art is bad – all good art is political.”
"Would there be any freedom of press or speech if one must reduce his vocabulary to vapid innocuous euphemisms?"

 
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