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#1 2011-04-12 00:46:14

Grossgrain Silk
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Court Dress

I'm not sure how many other professions make bespoke clothing compulsory, but for those who may be interested (and in our continued campaign to educate Marc and Crud), I wear a silk gown with a flap collar and long closed sleeves (the arm opening is half-way up the sleeve). The black coat underneath the gown is known as a court coat and is cut like 18th-century court dress, with a swallow tail, and is worn with a black waistcoat. Alternatively I can wear a sleeved waistcoat - a mess jacket. The sleeve of both the court coat and the mess jacket has a turnback cuff with three buttons across, not (as now) up. Each button on the coat/jacket, consistent with the traditions of court dress, has a stitched bar opposite. The stitching of this bar, and the fineness of the thread used, is one of the ways to differentiate the tailors who make the coat. The buttons are black silk. Although some of my colleagues opted for barathea I thought it would wear too warm so I chose plain twill. Ballantines caricature is here - http://wapedia.mobi/thumb/7ef4502/en/max/1440/1800/William_Ballantine_Vanity_Fair_5_March_1870.jpg?format=jpg%2Cpng%2Cgif&ctf=0?format=jpg,png,gif&loadexternal=1

The uniform has the interesting effect of ensuring that trousers get about 4 times the wear as jackets. Accordingly, I wear suits less than I once did, certainly in the summer. Any suit trouser will do (although blue looks a bit strange with a black coat), and, although traditional striped trousers provide another option, I don't much like them. Houndstooth is also permitted, and I have a couple of pairs of those. After Court in the summer, a linen jacket is cooler and less constricting. The cost of a court coat is now somewhere north of £5,000 which means that the tailors are used to demanding customers, who take the trouble to learn a bit about the technicalities and who scrutinise the finished article with some care.

Because a stiff wing collar and bands (akin to clerical tabs) are part of court dress, shirts have to have detachable collars. That, in turn, makes a double cuff a necessity. These can be bought off the peg but the good ones tend to be right at the top end of the rtw market and the jump to bespoke is not too great (Stanley Ley still do 4 for £100 but they tend to balloon in curious places). The width of the band is of some importance because a wider band helps retain the collar, which otherwise has a disconcerting habit of jumping up at the sides.

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#2 2011-04-12 01:00:21

Maximilien de Robespierre
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#3 2011-04-12 01:28:19

Cruz Diez
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Yet more shit by gross groin ilk.

I say he should keep doing so. Here, it is quite easy to skip and ignore, but in the real world, what would he be doing instead, if he didn't spend so much time on here? Scary thought.

By keeping him busy here, we are doing a service to society.

 

#4 2011-04-12 01:52:57

Grossgrain Silk
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#5 2011-04-12 04:25:25

Cruz Diez
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#6 2011-04-12 06:58:45

JohnL
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"The less taste a person has in dress, the more obstinate he always seems to be. It is a great pity. Because he will never be a success as it" - Jerome K Jerome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVHUA4dZI0o&feature=related

 

#7 2011-04-12 07:09:42

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Oi, Silkie!

Tell us what the UK attorneys wear professionally when theyre not in court and your observations on why they make those choices.

 

#8 2011-04-12 07:19:23

Haggis
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I am but a mixture of Herodotus of Halicarnassus and John Wayne aspiring to dress, and behave, as gentlemanly as a mixture of Sir Percy Blakely and George Bryan Brummell.

 

#9 2011-04-12 09:12:47

Marc Grayson
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"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

#10 2011-04-12 10:29:42

Simon
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Re: Court Dress

Can you tell me/us when this attire began to be worn in courts, and why? Also whats the story behind (or is it underneath) the wigs that are worn.


Blatant Modernist.

 

#11 2011-04-12 10:37:35

Grossgrain Silk
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#12 2011-04-12 11:14:55

Marc Grayson
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"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

#13 2011-04-12 11:19:31

Marc Grayson
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"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

#14 2011-04-12 11:33:43

Grossgrain Silk
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#15 2011-04-12 11:40:41

Marc Grayson
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"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

#16 2011-04-12 11:51:25

Grossgrain Silk
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#17 2011-04-12 11:56:32

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#18 2011-04-12 12:04:17

Marc Grayson
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"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

#19 2011-04-12 12:08:43

Marc Grayson
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Last edited by Marc Grayson (2011-04-12 12:11:32)


"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

#20 2011-04-12 12:37:23

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#21 2011-04-12 12:47:03

Grossgrain Silk
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#22 2011-04-12 13:19:15

Marc Grayson
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"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

#23 2011-04-12 13:28:23

Grossgrain Silk
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#24 2011-04-12 13:31:45

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#25 2011-04-12 13:51:05

Marc Grayson
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"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

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