As for fretting about all the darkies coming & taking over, what did their ancestors think when the Euros showed up with guns and proceeded to take over, much more comprehensively and decisively? Is this payback? It's not even close to being on the same level, even in the darkest, fevered paranoid imaginings of the neo-neo-nazis.
It'll just take time to adjust to the migation of the last 20 years or so. My parents didn't care much for the influx in the 50's and 60's. This is represented by the attitudes of TV shows mentioned. I went to school with their kids so never an issue for me. I don't much care for eastern europeans or Somilians, don't wish them any harm, don't want to "send them back" but I am guity of avoidance (section 2 on Allports scale). I think its true to say that many of those groups feel the same towards me. Their children go to school with my nephews, for that generation there will be tolerence, in the main there will never be intergation. I'm not racist but I'm not naive enough to thing it'll end up any other way.
I always wonder about "integration": if any of us moved to another country, would be want to integrate? Certainly the BRitish who came to Canada never really integrated but were happy to mooch. Obviously the cultural difference wasn't huge, but they certainly didn't integrate anywhere else either, esp in those places where the jump was bigger. Anyway, intolerance and bigotry are never acceptable.
Funny too how the right wingers always insist on "integration", which seems to run counter to their loud insistence on "individual freedom" and "liberty". So that means different standards for freedom and liberty depending on skin colour and/or godhead? Because integration seems to be forced conformity which certainly doesn't celebrate or at least allow much room for individual freedom or liberty (unless, as some have of you have suggested above, freedom and liberty are to be allowed only in the economic sphere). The hard right and hard left seem to have different ends but the same means; if you think of politics as a circle then it makes sense.
I've intergrated completely, all my circle of friends are locals apart from one English friend who's married to my wifes cousin. Theres another English guy at work but I don't mix with him outside work. Again the culture isn't that different, and theres not that many Brits here (Oslo) but I've met a few. I think if you move countries and want to get on you've got to integrate haven't you? I have noticed though that when people find out your from England you get the old "oooo, your from England?" Like the streets are paved with gold there or something so its maybe being English makes it easier.
Only an opinion...
1) Admiral Cod is currently laughing himself silly.
2) Nobody has 'exposed' or 'revealed' anybody as anything - What we have seen is the Admiral's bandwagon being jumped by all those who have felt the need to (me included)...
3) This is all about the racial mix of Hogwarts, as you will recall.
... Next we will get to grips with Noddy... No! Mr. Punch! - That deformed, hook-nosed, wife-beater...
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I absolutly agree,UK is a great nation,and British people a really great people.
Defects? all we have,but i think that the natural sense of humor of the Britons balance well many defects.
But attention; one of reasons because this extraordinary people is admired is the way in which knew preserve the traditions and the best of the past.
If lose this virtue,i have fear that much of charm and admiration would be lost.
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But I LIKE how shabby the reality of England is when compared to the slightly bonkers fantasy of the place... I love all those dusty corners & warm drinks...
There are, of course, many Englands - Mine is a low-key, quirky place, peopled by friendly folk of all persuasions... secondhand books, unbrellas, cheese & pickle... going balls deep on a Friday night...
Stuff like that.
Chim-chim-cheroo - until we meet again!
... wanking... trains... take-aways... woodlice & silverfish... the NHS... falling over... patience... not saying what you mean... being kind... nice smells from the Giant vibrator... proper muffins (not those little American cakes)... the welcoming warmth of the Underground in December... curry-based burps... frowning in the rain & smiling in the sun... black cabs... raised eyebrows...
I agree Yuca, never thought of it as rough till I left, but when I go back now...what a shithole. I do miss pickle though.
To be fair though, you are talking about Leicester - Norway must seem a paradise by comparison......... mind you, Azerbaijan would probably seem like paradise by comparison!
Once.