I'm sorry, but I can barely imagine a more tedious look - unless it's a bonehead in a black 'Harrington' and bleached jeans. I know many of you will say it's smart, smart-casual (or whatever), but is it not better carried off with grey flannels and a narrow, discreet repp? Blazer and jeans strikes me as an even worse alternative. Oh, I know the blazer is a staple of the Ivy Look, but I just find them uninspiring. Nice as a Northern Soul look, back in the day - but if you were up against nebs in cap-sleeved t-shirts and Cornish Pastie shoes surely it wasn't much of a contest. Does anyone still favour Barathea?
'Prep' poisoned so much.
I get on fine with mine (Brooks navy hopsack) and am perfectly happy to wear with chinos. And loafers, jeans, white BD, blazer rarely seems out of place.
It all has to fit fairly short and narrow of course.
A madras or tweed jacket often seems to take precedence though, depending on the weather.
I think perhaps those of us in the UK have to put a more than usual amount of thought into our overall appearance. The lingering associations of 'youth culture' possibly lie behind this and some are unable to quite turn away from those associations. Most do not stay long on 'Talk Ivy'. Better - by far, then - the look Moose describes above than Mikkel Rude, Oi Polloi or whatever floats the boat of the 'sussed skin' and his ilk. Softness - or non-aggression - is the key. The 'quiet' nature of the clothing hopefully reflects the reasoned nature of the wearer.
Not so asexual after all eh?
Ah, but we're talking 1980s 'Prep', not Ivy.
Blazer, khakis, button down and loafers is 'not ivy'?
Anyway, you're an ivyist with 3 wives, so how can it be asexual?
It's not Ivy in the way it's worn or by who it's worn in the aforementioned novels. It's 'Preppie'. Southern Preppie at that.
Two wives - but not at the same time. I have never made love to any woman wearing any item of clothing since my twenties.
Paradoxically I find the navy blazer to be highly unversatile. What are the options for trouser matching?
1. Khakis - a matter of personal pereference as we have seen above, but a combination I find dull.
2. White trousers - only in summer and can be a bit too nautical, especially if your blazer has gold buttons.
3. Grey flannel - way too middle aged.
4. Jeans - only if you want to go down the Top Gear horror route.
The problem I think is that in the UK the navy blazer has all sorts of unfortunate associations which maybe it doesn't have in the US. It brings to mind something you'd buy in M&S or from a small ad in the back of a colour supplement; the sort of thing worn by Dennis Thatcher or some bore with a G&T in the local golf club. A bit too Terry and June if you get my drift.
I can't remember seeing any "Preps" (whatever that means) wearing a blazer and looking good, or Preps wearing a good looking blazer for that matter. I have seen plenty of photos of old and young chaps clad in Ivy style with great blazer combos though. We've all seen the Cecil Gee ad and the 60's photo with the high-waters, venetians and shades, for example.
Just try to avoid looking like an aspiring yacht owner or schoolboy and you'll be fine. It's just a jacket!
A lived-in soft-shouldered blazer in heavy flannel with a chambray shirt and tapered olive khakis is a great look IMO. Tan narrow-wale cords are also a good option. Or Sta-prest for the young-at-heart?
Nice with desert boots too, instead of the more usual loafer. Grey trousers (maybe cords instead of flannels?) fine IMHO if slim enough and not too dark.
Sloppy fit you might get away with in tweed won't work with a blazer. Crappy ones can look really bad indeed.
It was unacceptable to wear khakis with a blazer at one time. Not so much a printed rule, but you would never see chinos as a possibility. Somewhere in the 80's that changed, it seems to me. Southern prep? Conversely, you wouldn't see those frat boys wearing their blazers with grey trousers these days.
Mind you, I'm one of the most hidebound dressers you can imagine.
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Leicester, although one of them has since moved to London. They make an exception for me.
When they mentioned their little rule to me I was shocked, then a year or 2 later I was DJing in a club where a lot of 30 something males went, and I noticed that many of the males present who looked like total arses were, in fact, sporting brown shoes. (Not longwings or beefrolls needless to say.)
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The average woman barely knows her arse from her elbow. Some of them have a vague notion they like a man wearing a suit. If they play with your tie, you're onto something. Despite what anyone says to the contrary, plenty of them fancy pumped up lunks like Daniel Craig. Around here, you could be wearing MTM Simon-style and they'd never notice. You'd be better off hanging from the branches of a tree by your toes and grunting.
Depends on the woman - if she's genuinely into clothing she will notice a man with similar traits, although adherence to arbitrary stylistic rules (e.g. recreating boom years ivyism) seems completely pointless to the female population. Perhaps they're right.
They tend to be more fashion-conscious, I suppose. Or bag ladies or crusties. Our former cleaning lady used to come in all her D&G tat. Liked to show off her thong. Making notes on Anglo-Saxon England for one of my more inquisitive A-Level students became quite difficult.
My wife will occasionally tell me that I look smart or nice when I leave for work but any Ivy undertones are completely lost on her. If she had her way I'd be head to toe in Boden, hence I try to steer her away from buying me clothes.
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Brownshoe might have real problems getting laid, then.