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Taylor McIntyre · 2012-05-06 01:14:31

http://www.garmsville.com/2012/05/in-si … eaker.html

One For Bop · 2012-05-06 01:25:02

wtf are those turn-ups about?

Taylor McIntyre · 2012-05-06 02:06:26

I'd say they're about three and a half inches ?

Taylor McIntyre · 2012-05-06 02:08:06

I've a nice new thing coming up on Jason's blog soon on the selling of Ivy style from a marketing POV. Only John Gall has seen it so far.

Kingston1an · 2012-05-06 03:27:03

White trainers , sneakers , whatever, go with ear rings as part of today's uniform for the modern grandad.

fxh · 2012-05-06 04:01:06

Yup.

Down at the music festival t'other week I made the scientific finding that the wearing of sneakers after age 30 should be on,y with special permission. Eg if you were a 6ft plus Ramone skinny and in torn jeans, t shirt , leather jacket, long hair. And on stage.

An additional finding, which may even yield another paper, is that earrings are now passé at any age and a sign of , er, um, something if you are over 40. A bald head, with grey long ponytail, plus earring, can only be an ironic statement. I hope.

The Thin Repp · 2012-05-06 05:00:36

One For Bop wrote:
wtf are those turn-ups about?

He also put trouser-style cuffs on the bottoms of his jeans. http://www.garmsville.com/2012/03/in-si … llion.html

Dude marches to the beat of his own drum.

One For Bop · 2012-05-06 05:19:05

That looks really nice I think,

With the longwings, and on those chinos not so much. But that's just my thoughts, the turn-up game is a hangover from the 90's denim obsessives. Again this is my view and from my little experience of London hipsters.

The problem with Britain is we turn everything into style and subculture, everything is always pushing on the edge of the new and what stands out. I like Ivy because that isn't what it's about it is almost like a neo-claccis approach to dressing, these are the dimensions these are this is the frame work, communicate within it. I think that is my beef with JJ, the guy dresses well, but for his time, you'll look back like with any on point style and go, fuck what was I thinking.

But the dessies and those jeans do look good. The chinos it just doesn't do it for me proportionality.

Patrick · 2012-05-06 05:24:22

I wear plain white sneakers at the gym, which gets me some funny looks. From guys who look like Bugs Bunny villains — enormous chests and arms, big bellies, and skinny little legs ending in high-tech, moon boot basketball sneakers, artfully unlaced.

Yeah. I look goofy next to these guys.

General Butt Naked · 2012-05-06 05:27:59

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http://www.garmsville.com/2012/05/in-silent-way-part-9-white-sneaker.html

Thems not cuffs ffs! Thems trou that are too big for him, so he's just turned em up! For the sake of £8.99, he could have saved himself a lot of embarrassment!

The Thin Repp · 2012-05-06 05:50:25

I think sewn cuffs look weird on any 5-pocket jean-style trouser.

I think the hipster connection is interesting. I don't think young guys who are in their early stages of Ivy affinity do it as a rebuke against hipster fashion. I think hipster fashion in its current state leads some people to Ivy, particularly when it comes to proportion. I think this is why mid-late 1960s Ivy is so big right now. Kids see slim, slightly shorter untucked shirts with slim, very short very tapered pants, and slim, very high very tight shorts. Now obviously there is some sort of feedback loop happening, but certainly part of it is coincidence. A rise in interest in Ivy coincides with a general emphasis on slimness in menswear.

What makes Ivy great is that it doesn't have to be any one thing. The 7" trouser bottom, which I would say is a slim as a man's trouser bottom can really physically go, is a reference to a very very brief moment in Ivy history. I watched School Ties the other morning, and I really enjoyed the representation of mid-1950s Ivy in that. The chinos were all full-cut military surplus, the sweatshirts and athletic-wear were great, the jackets were natural shoulder but fuller cut with more drape and longer lines.

Consider the following. Which of these images would communicate more to someone with hipster inclinations?:

One For Bop · 2012-05-06 06:08:25

I think what suits me taints what I like, and therefore what I describe as being 'the best' but I have to say I have always preferred closer cuts, I don't like high-waters or big turn-ups. I like shorter jackets. I don't like the fullness of the 50's, 1960-67 does me fine really. But first of all that's just my view, and also I don't have the knowledge to talk about things in historical terms, I'll leave that for Jim.

Taylor McIntyre · 2012-05-06 07:49:53

One For Bop wrote:
I think what suits me taints what I like, and therefore what I describe as being 'the best' but I have to say I have always preferred closer cuts, I don't like high-waters or big turn-ups. I like shorter jackets. I don't like the fullness of the 50's, 1960-67 does me fine really. But first of all that's just my view, and also I don't have the knowledge to talk about things in historical terms, I'll leave that for Jim.

You know more than most, Rob.

What can I say about Jason? He knows Ivy inside out. I know I told you the same before about Dean from 'Present' & you didn't buy it...

Dean wears Dean style. Jason wears Jason style.

Jason's vintage Ivy is enviable. Dean knows all the details too.

Next you should try a pop at Mr. Gall & Mr. Marsh. ...

... And I'm always around too...

- I mainly wear Cord five pockets & a Keydge these days with an old BD. Am I Ivy?

I hope that what I am is Jim.

Shalom.

Taylor McIntyre · 2012-05-06 07:51:43

One For Bop wrote:
That looks really nice I think,

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ACOROSgQ61w/T … t+boot.jpg

With the longwings, and on those chinos not so much. But that's just my thoughts, the turn-up game is a hangover from the 90's denim obsessives. Again this is my view and from my little experience of London hipsters.

The problem with Britain is we turn everything into style and subculture, everything is always pushing on the edge of the new and what stands out. I like Ivy because that isn't what it's about it is almost like a neo-claccis approach to dressing, these are the dimensions these are this is the frame work, communicate within it. I think that is my beef with JJ, the guy dresses well, but for his time, you'll look back like with any on point style and go, fuck what was I thinking.

But the dessies and those jeans do look good. The chinos it just doesn't do it for me proportionality.

Love this pic. Love my friend Jason.

One For Bop · 2012-05-06 08:05:54

I'll have a pop at anyone really, well apart from Soggy, not now he knows where I live. But I'd expect the same back from anyone, it is only clothes, I think JP is a bit of an uppity from how he came over on here when the whole lets distinguish ourselves from Talk Ivy, it is all steeped so much in the politics of all this shit. And again these guys are authors, not clothes designers, or are they?

When all we are looking at really is the aesthetics of clothes, not something I claim to have mastered but something I'm more bothered about that my standings in the world of the internet. I'll be the first to praise and the first to damn, and if people think my opinion really amounts to much that is up to them. But on a side note I liked Dean style and I'm pretty sure I supported that whole look, I liked it very much, but big London turn-ups that don't look good, no thanks. It's of the time, and that soon burns itself out, I'm not about that. That is what appealed to me about Ivy, the oneupmanship approach of hipster and igent didn't appear to be there.

This shit is the bathing ape, jap denim nonsense of the 90's, it didn't go away. Oi Polloi all that shit, it's nice to court because it has more of a following than us, but it'll be burned out in two years time and nobody will give a fuck.

I don't see the London/Hipster distortion of Ivy being any better, than the shit prep distortion that Chenners covers in his latest PS/Jack Wills post.

Andy pisses me off, but I do think he is right on a lot, and he is right on his view of hipsters.

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Taylor McIntyre · 2012-05-06 08:33:27

Which one was 'JP'?

Rob - I think what you say goes along with my view that 'Take Ivy' is the new OPH - The watershed book for this moment.

Before, it was different. After, it is now different again.

- But not for anybody who is an Ivy classicist.

I'm merely an observer.

woofboxer · 2012-05-06 08:44:28

I agree with Oo Bop about the hipster slant on ivy, just a phase.

The veneration of Jason has no resonance with me, there's too much affectation for me in the way he dresses, those turnups are just rediculous. That style has no place in my personal book of ivy, but it obviously does in his so that's fine. As Zac said the dude marches to the beat of his own drum.

I'm not really into venerating anyone over the way they dress, but if anyone does always look spot on when I see him in person or in a photo it's John Gaul and I wish he'd come back here.

One For Bop · 2012-05-06 08:53:32

I think he is a stylish guy, i just dont like his style.

Taylor McIntyre · 2012-05-06 09:29:11

woofboxer wrote:
I agree with Oo Bop about the hipster slant on ivy, just a phase.

The veneration of Jason has no resonance with me, there's too much affectation for me in the way he dresses, those turnups are just rediculous. That style has no place in my personal book of ivy, but it obviously does in his so that's fine. As Zac said the dude marches to the beat of his own drum.

I'm not really into venerating anyone over the way they dress, but if anyone does always look spot on when I see him in person or in a photo it's John Gaul and I wish he'd come back here.

He never left.

Taylor McIntyre · 2012-05-06 09:30:28

One For Bop wrote:
I think he is a stylish guy, i just dont like his style.

I think it's right for him & his world.

4F Hepcat · 2012-05-06 11:02:43

If white trainers were good enough for Norman Granz and are good enough for Jason Jules, well....er, on second thoughts, there was a job lot in our local Ikea store last weekend. Not for me.

Liam Mac · 2012-05-06 11:15:52

If anyone's interested I think JJ is wearing Converse 'Monochrome' low tops here. I think these used to be available with white eyelets too and even white sole a few seasons back. I prefer the metal eyelet and standard sole version. Material was a choice of canvas or perforated leather if I remember correctly. I don't know if they are still available. I imagine some online places will still have them.

If Converse made anything close to a mid range quality sneaker I'd be all over these as they look exactly like the army issue Hoods I posted in the sneaker thread. Unfortunately as it stands Converse make the worst quality All Star style sneaker out there just now. Worse than Primarks own £8 version. Trust me on that.

woofboxer · 2012-05-06 12:33:13

Jimbo wrote:
woofboxer wrote:
I'm not really into venerating anyone over the way they dress, but if anyone does always look spot on when I see him in person or in a photo it's John Gaul and I wish he'd come back here.
He never left.

If that's the case and he's another of those idiots who have multiple identities on this forum, one of the chief reasons why people leave, then he's gone down in my estimation.

Anyway I've just remembered that one of the times I saw him he was wearing jeans with massive turnups, so now he's off my list of style heros too.

Not that that will keep him awake at night.

The Thin Repp · 2012-05-06 12:56:05

I like Jason Jules' style. I might be biased as a bald, bearded man. I might even be OK with the sewn cuffs on the jeans:

This is clearly a man who understands Ivy and Americana, but his look isn't any one thing. It's the intersection of ivy, Americana, and current fashion. He can pull it off because he's a cool guy with a cool job who lives in a cool city. I'm probably about 20 years younger than him and no way could I look that good in a ball cap.

Liam Mac · 2012-05-06 13:37:35

who is the dude next to JJ in the gallery snap?

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