Dow Chemicals took over Union Carbide in 1999 and have no responsibility for Bhopal. You can't hold that against them.

I don't see anything inherently evil or oppressive in Coca Cola, other than refined sugar. I even tried the trick of leaving an old penny in a glass of coke over night once to see if it would come out all sparkling and brand new. And no it doesn't.

That'd be the Churchill who was an early admirer of Mussolini.

They did actually settle with the Indian government and this included immunity from prosecution for the executives.

Nationalism, when it is about standing-up for freedom and cultural values against tyranny and oppression is okay in my books. The nationalism in WWII, for example, was good on the Allies cause which was just. The nationalism in WWI is debatable.

Anyway, that's enough of a detour, we should get back on track!

Last edited by 4F Hepcat (2012-08-15 04:24:14)

Bop, you are a one... I was totally sober - I did manage to sneak into the main area for a cheeky Heineken - a real Ice Cold in Alex moment after hours sat on the training track with nothing but nuke proof sandwiches and tepid water! Got a second bottle about 1:30am at the Mother bar in Shoreditch afterwards.

You've done something with your hair Soggs.

liam - I'll take your word re Spice Girls - I might check it out on YouseTube - if its there. A lot of these things like Petshop Boys /Spice Girls was/are a very UK thing - with different resonances. Not that we hadn't heard of them - but say here Petshop Boys was very very niche and few woudl know about them.

and liam - I'll still respect you and think you're cool - no really

To be frank, I don't much like seeing images of even black athletes wrapped in the flag.

Mm.  Interesting.  Our constitution is written but uncodified - as I used to have to point out to my sixth form students.  I don't care much for the Stars and Stripes if it comes to that, nor the French tricolour.  That St. George horror is the ultimate, though, flapping out of windows at the merest provocation: almost always by lager-swilling louts who tolerate black lads because they're a bit tasty but don't much like Pakis.

Maybe this is similar to what Talk Idle is thinking about:

"To criticize one's country is to do it a service....Criticism, in short, is more than a right; it is an act of patriotism-a higher form of patriotism, I believe, than the familiar rituals and national adulation."

                                  - J. William Fulbright

Anybody wearing Ivy League style for today.....anyone?......Not even one?