Film Noir Buff Style Forum / Just Not Good Enough -

Taylor McIntyre · 2012-08-20 09:21:29

Comment by Christian — August 20, 2012 @ 7:02 am
@Yuca

Your remark might have some sort of banal legitimacy, but because your IP address gives away your Englishness, and your username reveals you as a member of Talk Ivy, we have no choice but to see your remarks as rhetorical and in the service of preserving the Ivy fantasy construct as preached in the Church of Simontology. I can’t imagine that your point could be so banal as to note that different groups of people might have something in common. Reading between the lines and knowing who the speaker is in this context, I must conclude that your point is to downplay WASPdom itself.

English Ivy fans just can’t stomach the origins of your fetishized Ivy clothes, so they must constantly downplay any reference to the WASP caste, Old Money, and prep schools and colleges, so they can feel good about themselves when they don a Brooks button-down. Hence absurd statements such as the Ivy League Look is “just clothes” and that during the heyday the mailman wore “Ivy.”

Actually, there is an Old Money culture in America. Or there used to be. There used to be just 400 acceptable people in New York — precisely the number of people who could fit in Mrs. Astor’s ballroom. Aldrich’s “Old Money” would be a place to start, or you could quickly watch a few film adaptations of Edith Wharton’s novels.

But while your fatuousness is one thing, the crass ignorance is quite another. You and your fellow Simontologists insult America every time you place the silly beliefs of your own style tribe above our very culture and history.

It’s one thing for you to point out that Steve McQueen wore sack jackets and lionize him for it, but it’s quite another to constantly downplay — if not outright deny — the entire culture of WASPs in America because you see it as a threat to your jazz hipster fantasy construct of Ivy

Taylor McIntyre · 2012-08-20 09:23:46

/\ How stupid is this?

400 people?

Yes. That's how mass-market fashion styles work...

Brooks and everybody else only ever sold to 400 people.

Pffffffffft !

Weak.

J.

4F Hepcat · 2012-08-20 09:41:46

Oh please, not Chensvold Uncle Tomming it again for RL and the New York elite in the hope they will throw some scraps for him to chew on.

One For Bop · 2012-08-20 09:43:30

He never excluded jazz, or any film celebrities from his blog did he? And also if he starts to bring up whose right it is to wear these clothes, then he negates his own background. I'm not sure being a Norwegian is enough Chens.

Liam Mac · 2012-08-20 09:50:24

For Gods sake Jim, haven't you read Aldrich's seminal "I'm Better Than You, Don'tchaknow"? It was a one in one out system. And if you were relegated (for doing something heinous like not beating the servant girl with the proper cane) then you had to turn in your Brooks button down at the door.

Liam Mac · 2012-08-20 09:52:50

marlowe v2.0 · 2012-08-20 09:56:17

I'm not English and have zero angle in this argument, and that's one of the most ignorant things I've ever read. Unlike you, Christian, I am familiar with the milieau that you so heavily fetishize yourself. You should really stop posting photos of your "offices", as they tip your hand fully. A more classless or tasteless individual would be difficult to find. Walking out on lunch bills isn't very Ivy Style, pal. What would Mrs. Astor think?

One For Bop · 2012-08-20 09:57:04

marlowe v2.0 · 2012-08-20 10:10:02

I'm still trying to comprehend what I just read. Weak doesn't even come close to describing it.

Liam Mac · 2012-08-20 10:10:20

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Axelist · 2012-08-20 10:49:45

WASP can be ivy, but ivy is not only WASP. Maybe?

'Church of Simonstology' - what does that mean, then? Funny things I need to know. I am simple like that.

Liam Mac · 2012-08-20 10:59:59

Goodyear welt · 2012-08-20 11:30:30

Come on, you can't take anything that bloke says seriously, you have seen his home decor I take it?

The tosser wants to think himself lucky he nearly got "some sort of banal legitimacy" out of Yuca, all we get is sarcasm. Did you know he's not started a thread since Oct 29th, 1968 and that was only one line.

Taylor McIntyre · 2012-08-20 12:06:32

... No dog in this 'fight'... Only a Poodle on Meth that I like to borrow from time to time...

Funniest take on Chensvold's bedroom to date was that it looked 'Like a Dowager's gusset'...

/\ My Sister is far funnier than me... She really ought to take over for a spell...

J.

Taylor McIntyre · 2012-08-20 12:12:38

woofboxer · 2012-08-20 12:19:48

Mind you' 'The Church of Simonstology' is quite funny isn't it?

One of those cults where you have to pay in a proportion of your income on a regular basis

One For Bop · 2012-08-20 12:43:13

Like Scientology but more expensive.

Axelist · 2012-08-20 12:44:01

Taylor McIntyre · 2012-08-20 12:54:18

No reason why my/our legal action against him shouldn't be extended to stop him mentioning JS too - He is banned from both our Facebook pages already due to his behaviour...

J.

Wot a scummy troll he is !

Yuca · 2012-08-20 12:55:12

I'd forgotten I'd posted that; thanks for the reminder, I best head over to IS to formulate a response.

Taylor McIntyre · 2012-08-20 12:57:16

And remind him of all the legal shit he's now in !

J.

Taylor McIntyre · 2012-08-20 13:00:10

Ivy-Peado.Com

/\ A very unfortunate way to view both him & Goodfella... So it was probably best for them not to threaten to menace my 8 year old daughter...

Their call.

J.

Yuca · 2012-08-20 13:30:36

Hard Bop Hank · 2012-08-21 01:28:02

Of course, Brooks Brothers and J. Press and especially all these little three-button shops in the 1950s and '60s were catering for an elite of not more than 400 people. The well-bred, the noble, the Brahmins...

How dare you downplay WASPdom?

The pilgrim fathers were not illegal aliens!

They were all blue bloods! They left England because it had become Sodom & Gomorrha....

Chensvold's mother was not a cheap hooker and his father was not a religious nutter, they were all part of the upper-crust!

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Oo Bop Sh'bam · 2012-08-21 05:59:16

My ancestors went over with penn, i think thank makes me more suited to wear this stuff than chens!

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