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#51 2013-02-05 08:39:55

Liam Mac
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Re: Ivy 'Classicism' ?

 

#52 2013-02-05 08:44:03

Armchaired
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Re: Ivy 'Classicism' ?

Heretic! Heretic! Burn him!


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#53 2013-02-05 08:48:38

12BarBlues
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Re: Ivy 'Classicism' ?

Yawn, who cares. I like the clothes .I like the clothes we talk about on this forum, some of it is just Americana but so what, we still talk a shit load of Ivy too. More than anywhere else on the web.


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#54 2013-02-05 08:55:10

Taylor McIntyre
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#55 2013-02-05 09:03:01

Taylor McIntyre
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Re: Ivy 'Classicism' ?

I say the fantasy regarding Ivy is the American campus one... Or to be more accurate it was the Marketing of the clothes.

 

#56 2013-02-05 09:14:09

Russell...Street
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Re: Ivy 'Classicism' ?

Last edited by Russell...Street (2013-02-05 09:15:04)


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#57 2013-02-05 09:24:10

Taylor McIntyre
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Re: Ivy 'Classicism' ?

Pleased to see Chensvold has read all this !

Chens - The clothes came from a shop. Retail. They were sold to people. They were marketed. Have you ever gone shopping ?

Brooks dictated & invented the American WASP wardrobe. They did. A shop did. Where did you think the clothes came from ?

Durrrrrrr  !

wink

 

#58 2013-02-05 09:29:29

Taylor McIntyre
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Re: Ivy 'Classicism' ?

A shame Chens wants to blog on menswear but doesn't work in the schmutter industry...

 

#59 2013-02-05 09:37:30

Liam Mac
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#60 2013-02-05 10:00:12

Harpo
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Randy lower-class trifler

 

#61 2013-02-05 10:19:06

carpu65
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#62 2013-02-05 11:23:55

Taylor McIntyre
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#63 2013-02-05 12:04:53

Goodyear welt
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Rocking traditional, current and classic Italian Ivy since 2011.

 

#64 2013-02-05 12:53:17

katon
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Re: Ivy 'Classicism' ?

Last edited by katon (2013-02-05 13:09:38)

 

#65 2013-02-05 14:15:27

Axelist
Talker of the talk, walker of the walk.
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Re: Ivy 'Classicism' ?

Some of this is a bit too scholastic for a simple character like me. I just somehow have the impression that the editor of a certain blog is very determined, if that word applies. How about a bit playing the melody of life on lighter notes? wink

Actually, the war of these two houses is something I do not like very much. Although I see the amusing side. However, the latest strategy seems to be to tell that all friends of the look on here - and in EUROPE - are only interested in the past, especially mid-century and are mock-ups anyway, because only US-citizens can wear the look naturally. Which is ironic, because if you take this idea to the extremes he and surely a lot of his followers would not be "worthy"' also. Yeah, let's leave it to the East Coast brahmins. smile

The core of this argument is that it is an acquired style for someone outside of the US?  Really? Isn't it for many inside the US also? Who cares, isn't it fashion anyway? wink

I don't know, it's a bit grim. I think he really would benefit from letting go of the style guru pose. I have fond memories of the piece on this article on trad blogs which some guy clearly cobbled together to deliver a shallow and amusing bit. The master single-handed tore it apart between two puffs of his pipe. All that it lacked was a QED at the end.

Oh dear, I never wanted to write so much on this topic. Time for my medication, I guess. smile


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#66 2013-02-05 14:24:45

Goodyear welt
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Re: Ivy 'Classicism' ?

Lets face it, if your not interested in Boom years stuff and you wanna wear the best in todays "soft" tailoring you'll be wearing Italian clothes anyway. Lets have all the European stuff back that the yanks have worked into Ivy or added a twist to and whats left?

I think Chens is being a bit cheeky really. Those Americans think they invented everything don't they?


Rocking traditional, current and classic Italian Ivy since 2011.

 

#67 2013-02-05 14:26:53

Goodyear welt
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Re: Ivy 'Classicism' ?

Didn't JFK have Sack suits made on the Row?


Rocking traditional, current and classic Italian Ivy since 2011.

 

#68 2013-02-05 14:27:24

Drum Thunder !!!
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Re: Ivy 'Classicism' ?

I know we've looked at the influence of Italian tailoring on Ivy in the 50's but what about the 20's? Was anything going on then?


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#69 2013-02-06 02:41:24

Taylor McIntyre
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#70 2013-02-06 03:01:01

Taylor McIntyre
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#71 2013-02-06 04:06:33

Taylor McIntyre
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#72 2013-02-06 04:14:22

Taylor McIntyre
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Re: Ivy 'Classicism' ?

I'd say yes - And they educated the aspirational too.

Brooks are fascinating because of all the Brooks 'Firsts' in America - Seersucker, Madras, Buttondowns, Shetlands, the American Sack Suit, etc.

Brooks wrote the book. Others copied. Brooks INVENTED the style. A shop did. They imported it all & put it all together. Quite a feat. The American WASP wardrobe we know today did not exist before Brooks Brothers. They dictated the style to their customers, not the other way around.

 

#73 2013-02-06 05:09:28

4F Hepcat
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Re: Ivy 'Classicism' ?

But the customer had a choice to go elsewhere. The customer surely must have had an influence on maintaining lines i.e. gee wheez these button-downs are selling well, lets get some more in! And so on.


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#74 2013-02-06 06:21:06

Russell...Street
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Re: Ivy 'Classicism' ?

Last edited by Russell...Street (2013-02-06 06:22:33)


42R | 16.5/34 | 34/30 | US 10D/UK 9.5E
"Horses, horses... horseshit!"

“As honest as you can expect a man to be in a world where its going out of style.”  - Raymond Chandler

 

#75 2013-02-06 06:23:39

Russell...Street
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Re: Ivy 'Classicism' ?


42R | 16.5/34 | 34/30 | US 10D/UK 9.5E
"Horses, horses... horseshit!"

“As honest as you can expect a man to be in a world where its going out of style.”  - Raymond Chandler

 

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