You're not talking Ivy, you're talking what film stars wore..

Manufacturers did indeed start using the term Ivy to describe a tailoring style, especially when it started to really be marketed in the early 60's.  Tapered shirts, trousers, etc were often described as Ivy styled or "Ivy League Cut".  It can be found all over the ads of the era.

Last edited by Worried Man (2013-04-30 12:12:02)

I'm not debating the 50 years before or after though - I'm specifically referring to modernism as an aesthetic and how the ivy league look fits in and even crosses over with continental styles during that mid century timeline, which is how the majority of us chose to interpret our style, I think. If you want to go right back to the campus code of the 20s, 30s etc. that's an entirely separate debate. I think that what we're discussing here is far broader because the "ivy look" extends way beyond sack jackets and exists within the realms of casual and weekend dress as well yet can still be clearly defined by the same terms. I think that we're in agreement when approaching this from an evolutionary stance, but I'm strictly speaking about ivy as a "look" and how it's intrinsically interwoven with modernism and aesthetically crosses over from mid century America to Italy, France, England, etc.

I don't get the Mike Nichols reference though; is that supposed to be me or Simon??

Last edited by Oliver (2013-04-30 12:33:01)

I know you're just kidding, but pop culture figures don't really fit into my classification of ivy at all. It's just a look for me, but not a style of tailoring. Aesthetically it's parallel to modernism, alongside elements and other characteristics of mid century men's fashion, but not interchangeable. It corresponds but is not distinguished exclusively by the Brooks mold. The Continental look of the '40s through '60s adopted facets of Ivy style but not inversely. The ivy league look was born of a traditional and prevalent American *style and imported ad-lib, in domestic men's fashions and internationally, throughout the boom years, but is not distinguished by environment, place or setting (that's silly)! Since this is the Film Noir Buff Style Forum, the simplest allegory is that of the forum's namesake - Ivy is a stylistic movement, not a genre.

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Last edited by Worried Man (2013-04-30 18:22:50)

A dart does change the silhouette though, to bring in suppression round the front gives an hour glass shape. You loose the straight cylindrical nature of the undarted sack, you can bring in at the back and side seams for a better fit. Doesn't have to flap about in the wind. But ideally it is straight up and down.

And I don't mind being that odd cu.nt that wants to dress in a certain way.

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