I think I'll create another user name and start criticizing my own posts from the standpoint of a disapproving asshole.  I would have no shortage of colorful remarks to make about my own clothing choices.

It really is unfair and cruel to bash someone based on physical traits, especially ones they can't easily change.  But sometimes that shit's just funny.  I mean, EVERY time I go to the beach everyone has to give me a hard time about my borderline hirsute body hair.  But do I skulk back into the hotel and shave or wax it?  Hell no.  "Hey asshole, have fun when that shit gets stuck in your teeth when we start that game of tackle pool football."  Sorry for all the cursing.  I've had a few drinks.

Mercer, the rise is the space between the crotch and the waistline, not the length of the leg.  That's the inseam.  Higher rise would mean the pants would sit higher on your waist.  Those pants I'm wearing there are rolled and would definitely be considered high water if I were wearing loafers, but they're just resting on top of the boots, which is what we Ivyists term "no break".

See, here's the perfect example, and thanks for posting that shot, Mercer.  Someone, I can't recall who, stated something along the lines of "Hey WM, it looks like you have a stick shoved up your ass there."  And yes, they were correct.  I look like I have a stick shoved up my ass.  Not to mention, there's absolutely zero Ivy going on there.  But that is a really nice old Viyella shirt.  Total "Americana" stuff there.

But when is criticism ever warranted, Mercer?  Criticism just happens.  It's usually just an opinion.  However, where it gets tricky on here is that this is a forum dedicated to Ivy style, which does have certain tenets that we all adhere to, to a lesser or greater extent.  So, from that, someone could justifiably pick apart the faults of an outfit or judge it based on its merits, or lack thereof, from the standpoint of strict Ivy.  I think this is what has happened to you a few times.  But it's nothing to get defensive about.  It's like Woof (I think) said at one point, you just have to fall in line.

Hahahaha.  G'night....

Mercer, If by "dad" you mean a man old enough to be the responsible father of offspring, then yes, total dad jeans.  They're not pulled up, that's just where they sit naturally.  That's the natural waist, or close to it, which is where men historically wore their pants until some time in the past 20 years.

I'm the king of dad pants.  ...and grandpa sweaters, come to think of it.  But that's all perspective, which I suspect is what Mercer is lacking.

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I keep having this daydream about a mid western congregation filing out of church on a sunny Sunday morning. Mercer resplendent in 'lumberjack style' including hunting boots is shaking hands with the reverend and congratulating him on his sermon on the immodesty of highwater jeans. Staunch matrons look on approvingly whilst shy virgins steal sideways glances at the duck boots, wondering why he's wearing them on such a hot day. Meanwhile Billax immaculate in Blackwatch tartan blazer and lime green chinos stands rooted to the spot, horrified at the low rise spectacle that greeted him as he exited the church. He hurries away, as fast as the starch creases in his chinos will allow, resolved to write an article on his blog about the decline of mens dress standards. There is a solitary figure standing in the shade of some trees over on the other side of the churchyard, watching patiently, allseeing through his Shuron clip ons. It is the ivy hitman. He has already identified Mercer's car in the parking lot, as he waits he slowly screw screws the silencer onto his .38.