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#1 2015-08-29 04:50:53

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The Mumfordisation of the UK...


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#2 2015-08-29 05:36:02

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Re: The Mumfordisation of the UK...

What happened to Peter York is my first thought.

Though I agree with his underlying sentiment.


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#3 2015-08-29 08:31:20

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We should know by now, that we live in a post-post-modernist world: nothing is true, everything is permitted!

But yes, in those little middle-class sanctuaries in London, the world view is that of the homogenized global village: a friendly, rural idyll of suburbia on authentic exotic food washed down with lashings of Cobra and if we're eating bully-beef, real ale. It's like Womad on qat.

I don't know Monford & Sons, but they definitely don't represent everything that is wrong with the UK, you need to look at the political class to find that.


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#4 2015-08-29 10:30:03

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Re: The Mumfordisation of the UK...

Surely this is the reaction against junk food and the bland tasteless city high streets in general. No matter theres a new shopping mall going up...you know it'll be Footlocker, Next, JD Sports, Starbucks, Mac D's and dull department stores ect that'll fill it. I'll take a rural idyll quarter; small boutiques selling clobber, tea houses, Shetland Isle mussels, pubs with rustic furniture and papers to read all day, every day. Its perhaps more a sign of things that are wrong in the UK that more people in the cities can't afford to do so or are happy with their lot.


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#5 2015-08-29 10:51:21

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Though perhaps I'm looking at it differently as someone who has got off an estate and gone up in life (for want of a better expression) rather than born middle class and had a uni education. For sure people that deny their class roots in favor of wanting to be seen as cool I think are wankers, as I do working class people who'd rather talk hippy bollocks pretending they've found the meaning of life, or slag off the "system" when infact they just can't  give application to anything and better their standard of life.


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#6 2015-08-29 11:17:14

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Re: The Mumfordisation of the UK...


"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

#7 2015-08-29 12:20:34

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Rockstars dressing badly...hardly breaking new ground is it?  I just can't get offended by it or the boring racket they make. If it came down to eating mussels in a trendy bar surrounded by 20 and 30 somethings dressed like this or eating a happy meal surrounded by fat young mothers with fat young kids or groups of hip hop and Britain First yoof I know where my bread would be buttered.


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#8 2015-08-29 13:54:43

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Re: The Mumfordisation of the UK...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iRN8iJDi_I


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#9 2015-08-29 14:12:13

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Rather than authenticity, the focus should be on comfort. I care nought for authenticity if the environment is all warm and gooey like liquid MDMA.

I've just returned from a barbecue, which as with house parties I always go out of my way to avoid, but this one was unavoidable. The host's house is magnificent, they've been there since the early 1990s and have made the house into the ideal living space. The host's missus wants to move to Spain, but as he told me, he see's no point and is happy where he is. I see his position, you've spent twenty-odd-years investing on several fronts making the house a home, so why go through that again when you are running out of road?

When you cut through all the pretensions it's all about the environment you live in: can you make it comfortable enough. Authenticity is just another bauble on the Christmas tree.


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#10 2015-08-30 04:20:33

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Authenticity really only comes from the real relationships you have with other people, your immediate environment and the things that occupy it. That cant be bottled and sold..well maybe to people that have a void where others dont. Im not sure what else comes into it

 

#11 2015-08-30 04:31:30

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This is quite pertinent, taken from Tony Blair's piece in today's Observer: "Because it is a vast wave of feeling against the unfairness of globalisation, against elites, against the humdrum navigation of decision-making in an imperfect world, it persuades itself that it has a monopoly on authenticity. They’re “telling it like it is”, when, of course, they’re telling it like it isn’t."

He's talking about Corbynmania.


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#12 2015-08-30 05:52:54

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Difficult decisions = mass deception in his case..it worries me that people like you Hep swallow his rot how close did that scumbag have to rub up against, Murdoch, big business, the banks etc to get the backing he did. Corbyn talks about successful approaches to society that already exsist in the western world. Politics is about interest and at the moment our society is run in the interest of profit as dictated by neo-liberalism, to say that's the way its got to be shows at the very least you lack imagination it also shows you're completely oblivious to the idea that just because you say you're a realist doesn't give you an excuse to waver humanity.

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#13 2015-08-30 07:19:12

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People are pissed off with all this talk of global this, global that, banks, lost jobs/trades to the far east, tax dodges, bent MPs and in general have a complete lack of faith or trust in whats on offer as an option to govern. I'm just not seeing any authenticity given to MPs saying their working for the people. Blair slagging off Corbyn will just make more people think he's the man for the job. The real problem if he becomes leader is if he can convince people that his policies will give people a better standard of living. I should think he has very little support among older voters.

There seems to be a big switch to either the far left or far right in many European countries, so its no shocker that Corbyn has come to the fore. It'll be interesting to see if he distances himself from some of the groups/people he's met and talked with (if not supported) in the past. That might be a good teller of his own authenticity in politics.


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#14 2015-08-30 08:12:38

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#15 2015-08-30 13:57:48

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Re: The Mumfordisation of the UK...

Great thread.

Isnt it mainly a smug-Guardian-reader kind of thing? Bored middle class kids, never had it so good.

Whereever I go, I follow a simple recipe:

- the grand hotel, 100% hipster free, reassuringly expensive to keep "Lonely Planet" people out. Downside: Arabs/Rusians (although their cars/girls are nice)
- a tiny, nondescript, off-the-beaten-track café (Old York Road, W1 backstreets) with a limited selection of food; to escape the grand hotel and to read mags/FT while eating
- the old-school / ancient members only club, to disappear completely, to avoid piped music. Travelers, Ox&Cox.
- the rather expensive menswear shop everyone knows, so hipsters etc avoid it: Bel y Cia in Geneva&Barcelona, Turnbull & Asser or Cordnings in London, Ladage & Oelke in Hamburg, Eduard Meier in Munich. Hermes at the airport.
- using traditional means of transport, i.e. pre-booked cabs/limo hire, 1st class trains and so on.

Avoid:

Anything which looks like a prop from a Laurel & Hardy film; beards, "barbershops", steampunk this and that, anything "artisan" or "craft".

Strictly avoid:

Reading books in public ("Look at me"), taking photographs of food on my table and "posting" it to a website/blog/social network

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#16 2015-08-31 03:11:54

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The appeal of Corbyn to the middle-class Guardianista is that they can have their cake and eat it. Corbyn will never gain power as PM, so they can attain all the instant kudos and counter-culture credentials of being a socialist revolutionary without having the indignity of having to endure life under Corbyn's Labour. It's actually quite clever and also a good tactic in the class war against the uncouth working classes which most Guardianista's from the frothy heights of their latte and cappucinos view with a mixture of hatred and fear.

I once sent a pitch to the Lonely Planet for a guide on travelling in the footsteps of the Beat writers. I still think it would have added value to the brand. The guides themselves are pretty subjective and error prone. The one for Brazil slagged-off the Gorota de Ipanema as not authentic and praised some rubbish restaurant around the corner as the place where the authentic cariocas dined. Nothing could be further from the truth.

The grand hotel always a winner, except if you've got young kids in which case all that exquisite exclusiveness is wasted as the nightmare begins as you take your first sip of Pol Roger’s champagne as an aperitif and continues until you’ve hastily finished your meal whilst trying to maintain some level of decorum on the proceedings. You end-up trapped in a world on the level of Center Parcs: all family clubs and all-inclusive holiday packages where you enjoy the 4 star canteen eating experience to your heart’s content as you put on several kilos from the endless cavalcade of buffets morning, noon and night. Then you proceed to the kids disco and on into the night with the local amateur tarantella dance troupe and ABBA tribute band. There’s a certain communal and Soviet era quality to it all, all that is missing is heavy vodka drinking, which might add something positive to the experience. It makes Hi-De-Hi look 5 star.

The old school / ancient members club is definitely something that is missing here in the Netherlands, indeed, outside of London and working men’s and golf clubs, not forgetting masonic lodges in the provinces, it’s never really been part of the UK experience. And some of them were grim, the RAFA Club in my home town was in some old Air Warden’s hut and had bare fluorescent lighting that lent a certain absence of mood and harsh uniform quality of light to the desperate situation of drinking as much beer as possible in the shortest time, for the cheapest price around. Those provincial golf clubs are the worse though, a perfect home for snobbery, bigotry and life lived without any humour at all. There was a time that these types dominated some industries, back when deals were struck on golf courses, but thankfully business ethics, transparency in tender processes, the obligatory code of conduct and the fact that today’s oligarch, Petrobras and Arab clients want to be bribed without having to demonstrate handicaps & prefer to have their lady-boy hookers up-front, have assigned the golf bore and weekly golf days to the dust-bin of history. It's by no accident that new Jaguar cars don’t have the golf-club sized boots anymore. Great!

Travel by rail in 1st class is still the best, but the usual suspects are intent on spoiling this. If the Chinese can have scanners and bag checks on the subways in Beijing and Shanghai, then we should have the capabilities to install this for the Thalys and Eurostar without taking 3 years in endless-consultations and costing 2bn pounds to implement. Let's hope the necessary security is in place very shortly. I am looking for a handy alternative to those city-jet hops from Rotterdam to London City, which can often be quite turbulent and additonally being located in the part of town where the action isn't.


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#17 2015-09-02 05:56:30

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I live about fifty miles from one of the epicenters of the "locally-sourced, artisan, farm-to-table" movement; Madison, Wisconsin.

You can't buy a feckin' dill pickle in that town without being treated to a monologue from the clerk...errrr...pickle artisan about how the cucumber was grown less that seventy centimeters from the shop, delivered by a man in a tweed cap on a penny farthing, brined in an authentic wooden barrel that George Washington himself built and then canned by an authentic locally-grown grandmother.  It's all crap.  By attempting to be authentic, they actually increase their phoniness factor exponentially.

I hope I live to see a backlash against this kind of thing; where restaurants revert to the kind of service and food that we see in the "Forgotten Roadside Eateries" thread.

 

#18 2015-09-02 06:11:07

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#19 2015-09-02 07:55:51

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Re: The Mumfordisation of the UK...


"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

#20 2015-09-02 10:08:14

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The horrific realities of the food industry etc have made their way into the public consciousness, and now what used to be the norm before intensive farming etc etc is something that can be heavily marketed and ridiculously overpriced. Back in the day 'artisan' baking techniques, for example, were the norm. Now artisan bread is something that costs a small fortune and is hard to locate. Yet really it's just a decent loaf of bread.

It's similar with clothes. One example amongst many - recently Clarks produced some made in the UK desert boots. Cost a small fortune, came with all sorts of ridiculous claims and a 'free' gift . . . back in the day it was taken for granted - if you paid for Clarks desert boots you got quality. Now quality is some wildly extravagant added extra that only the rich can afford.

Of course for clothes (and other things) it is possible to find some degree of quality cheaply, particularly for those of us who are happy to wear dead man's clothing.

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#21 2015-09-03 04:28:34

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Incidently, I stopped-off at a motorway petrol station early in the morning yesterday and the check-out girl was all excited about how the sandwich I bought had been freshly made on the back of the shop. Somehow, I couldn't quite get equally excited about the nearness to someone's sandwich skills to the point of sale. I sometimes do wonder, if the long predicted idiocracy has already arrived.


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#22 2015-09-03 14:08:30

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#23 2015-09-03 15:05:02

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