Request - and appreciate - Members input on the design elements for a "bleeding" madras sports jacket.
Would like to it be as close to an original '60s one - and, therefore, as traditionally Ivy - as possible.
(A) What - if any Member knows - did they look like in the 1960s? Pockets. Vents (Hooked?) Label width. 2-button roll (?). Drop. # of sleeve buttons. Etc. As many details as possible, please.
(B) What - if any - of the above need to be modified.
Just as Gant made the quintessential "bleeding" madras shirts (and BB made the quintessential blue blazer), what manufacturer (if any) produced the quintessential "bleeding" madras sports jacket.
Pictures appreciated, too.
Thanks.
Last edited by aucociscokid2 (2017-01-27 01:36:47)
Sounds like you've done lots of research...
It's just you guys are more knowledgeable about things Ivy than anyone. It's always good to check with you - especially when ?s of authenticity are involved - I've found. - I- and the actual manufacturer - have our own ideas. I was around in the 1960s and actually owned one. But, didn't know diddly about fashion then. Therefore, can't recall the details. The manufacturer was around, but didn't make 'em and other members of his team are too young to have remembered them at all. I have vintage one, but each one is different.
What we want to create is the definitive one for the 2010s. The best. The quintessential.
+ There may have been something overlooked by us. Others - beside us - have ideas. And we're not experts. In clothing manufacturing the one actually doing it is. On Ivy history and traditions. Neither us are.
I have Gant madras shirts from the 1960s. But - collectively - you guys know more than I. How to identify them. Specific manufacturing details like thread counts. Etc.
I hope I'm not going to want to shoot myself - again - by posting in this forum.
I'm looking for what were the defining elements of the jacket in the 1960s. Which need to be retained. Which modified. And how? Not every blue blazer had patch pockets in the 1960s, but the defining one - Brooks Bros. - did. Therefore, to be authentic a blue blazer requires patch pockets. I have, however, seen - and own - blue blazers with a hacking pocket. While not traditional (and equestrian, not nautical, in derivation), very good. Cooler. If you know what I mean. The blazer itself having a nautical inspiration.
+ Chief your response begs the second part (and purpose) of my inquiry: What modifications - if any - are required for it to acquire a more contemporary look. The ones from the 1960s - the ones I have anyway - are way too boxy and shapeless (in my humble...) Or are those elements parts of the appeal.
++ This is part of my research. As I posted, you guys know way more than ANY ONE else. Ivy geeks. That's a compliment.
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I have a non-design question. Or 5.
How do you launder a Bleeding Madras jacket? Machine wash at home so it bleeds? Will it shrink and thus become unwearable?
Dry Clean? Will it bleed if dry cleaned? If not what's the point of bleeding madras Jackets?
You feel me, chaps?
Haha! class. keep them coming...
But seriously, any genuine answers out there?
I recall Haspel and Chipp were known in Ivy wear for their Madras jackets.
I have the quintessential '60s example hanging in the closet. I should attempt to wear it more than 1 time per year...
2.75" 3/2 lapel, half lining, zero structure in the shoulder, no hook vent though. What I really like about the "100% Cotton Handwoven Bleeding India Madras" is the fact that the plaid is very heavy on the color olive.
Thanks Chief Brody and Worried Man. So what's the consensus: Vent vs. no vent?
Single vent. Hooked or not.
I'd buy one. Tried to get one made from that batch your supplier produced.. He told me it was suitable for suitings... he lied. I cried.
Muted greens and blues, if you would. £200 or there abouts. 38R. I'd be happy to road test a prototype for free. 😊
Last edited by Chief Brody (2017-01-28 06:06:20)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/122048562621
On lightweight madras, I'd actually prefer straight vent over hook. Hook looks great on heavy tweed and solid colors.
Thanks all. How do I upload photos? I've done so in the past, but have forgotten + can't find the instructions elsewhere on FNB. When I know how, I'll upload the pattern with which the manufacturer has decided to go. N.B. I'm not involved per se in the manufacturing process. I'm just selling the fabric (more or less). The manufacturer is in Brooklyn, USA; well-respected; and probably the last vestige of handtailoring in the USA. Their team member involved in the project - and the one who approached us (not vice versa) - is in his late 20s. I also am guessing that a $300-$500 price point would be the "sweetest." Will pass all forum comments along to them; some points of which they may already be aware. Some not. ??? Their plans are to have jackets, walking short, etc. even a baseball cap in stores for spring-summer 2017. Any (all) formal announcements need to be forthcoming from them, however.
http://forums.filmnoirbuff.com/uploadimg.php
Just let me know when the prototype is ready to be shipped.😘
Hmmm, looks a little striped for my taste - like bedding? I'm not sure how a sport coat will look in this pattern, might look great but might also look like a boating blazer which I would avoid at all cost. Is this the only pattern you have, if going for this market then you really need to google some of the authentic check madras sport coats of the era.
Wowsers. In me trousers.
Really missing the mark there. Really.
At least that's a plaid.😜
But yellow as the dominant colour, I think, is not going to big seller for jackets! Can be tricky to wear.
Last edited by Chief Brody (2017-01-30 00:47:26)
It might muddy up a bit with washing and it is better as far as seeing it on a jacket.