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#101 2018-06-01 10:07:57

stanshall
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Re: That little New England world

as I have discussed before, in my opinion "trad" as a clothing style was promoted by wannabe prep(s) who hadn't gone to private schools or Ivy(esque) colleges and so felt they needed another name for the Ivy and preppy clothing they didn't feel they could wear without a disclaimer, as if a pedigree were required. 

Southern Trad meanwhile was contrived to include all the darted, pleated clothing conservative guys with a dandy side throughout the South had acquired before they learned from the OPH and the internet that those items were non-prep.

The corny pastels are the male trad's Easter bonnet, blame Alexander Julian and Ralph Lauren .....

From its earliest days, the Andover Shop touted its "traditional, conservative woolens" and its "conservative and gentlemanly" clothing.

Charlie Davidson called the Andover Shop's preppy Ivy clothing "traditional" in the ads announcing the opening of the shop in 1948: "Fine British and Domestic Woolens in the traditional style of Cambridge, New Haven, and Princeton."


"bow wow wow yippie yo yippie yay"

 

#102 2018-06-01 10:49:46

Berkeley_Breathes
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Re: That little New England world


"The only comment a gentleman’s outfit should generate is that he is properly dressed for the occasion" - Calvin Trillin

 

#103 2018-06-02 00:54:40

woofboxer
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Re: That little New England world


'I'm not that keen on the Average Look .......ever'. 
John Simons

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#104 2018-06-02 08:28:50

Berkeley_Breathes
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Re: That little New England world


"The only comment a gentleman’s outfit should generate is that he is properly dressed for the occasion" - Calvin Trillin

 

#105 2018-06-02 15:27:45

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#106 2018-06-02 15:52:40

Berkeley_Breathes
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Re: That little New England world


"The only comment a gentleman’s outfit should generate is that he is properly dressed for the occasion" - Calvin Trillin

 

#107 2018-06-06 23:55:57

Film Noir Buff
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Re: That little New England world

What is wrong with Red ties on a pink shirt?

Clothing holds many qualities at the same time. Sometimes the clothes can represent a certain political bent but it depends on the context...and the audience. The people Tucker Carlson is speaking to every night are old enough to have nostalgia for a prior age.

More generally speaking, some clothes can mean respectability for one observer, being out of touch to another. The meaning can lie as much with the observer's experiences as much as the collective DNA imbued in a given article of clothing.

And being from one tribe does not guarantee that clothing as a symbol will always be viewed the same way.  Once, two Goth girls saw me in a suit; one of them was making eww faces but the other one loved the suit and traced the lapels. I assumed one of them grew up around men who wore suits and the other did not. It occurred to me that clothing is an individualistic experience not only for the wearer but also for the observer.

 

#108 2018-06-07 00:11:44

stanshall
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Re: That little New England world


"bow wow wow yippie yo yippie yay"

 

#109 2018-06-07 00:34:09

Horace
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Re: That little New England world


""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.

 

#110 2018-06-07 00:39:50

Horace
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""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.

 

#111 2018-06-07 00:43:04

Horace
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""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.

 

#112 2018-06-07 00:48:59

Horace
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""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.

 

#113 2018-06-07 00:57:59

Horace
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Re: That little New England world


""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.

 

#114 2018-06-07 08:40:31

stanshall
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Re: That little New England world


"bow wow wow yippie yo yippie yay"

 

#115 2018-06-07 08:45:47

mhalat
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#116 2018-06-07 09:14:11

stanshall
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Re: That little New England world

/\  y'all should have seen the J. Press madras walk shorts I was wearing yesterday ... they were drawing some stares as I was buying wine and cheese for the cocktail party we have every year before our old classmates/friends go to Maine for the summer ... a very beautiful madras plaid in pink, blues, and yellow ... this is totally true ....

... then a stunning young lady came up to me and asked me whether the madras was authentic bleeding madras and whether the walk shorts were from J. Press (this part's a lie) .....

anyway I had a wonderful time, my friends' kids are in Little Ivy schools, they haven't been derailed by drugs, I enjoyed speaking with them, last night the Quotient was astronomical


"bow wow wow yippie yo yippie yay"

 

#117 2018-06-07 09:50:19

Berkeley_Breathes
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Re: That little New England world


"The only comment a gentleman’s outfit should generate is that he is properly dressed for the occasion" - Calvin Trillin

 

#118 2018-06-07 09:56:34

Berkeley_Breathes
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Re: That little New England world


"The only comment a gentleman’s outfit should generate is that he is properly dressed for the occasion" - Calvin Trillin

 

#119 2018-06-07 10:03:05

Berkeley_Breathes
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Re: That little New England world


"The only comment a gentleman’s outfit should generate is that he is properly dressed for the occasion" - Calvin Trillin

 

#120 2018-06-13 16:30:08

Film Noir Buff
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Re: That little New England world

Discussing clothes is very difficult ; especially in a vacuum or even on an individual. Most people dont understand clothes and they make very little opportunity to learn. Designers dont want to discuss it because it isnt worth their while, even when they actually know something and thus most people never learn about clothing apart from the empirical nature of the item.

Thus, a shirt must be a young-man-shirt because it is sold in a young-man-shop. 

When clothing becomes merely the accumulation of individual items, you have no chance of developing any panache or personal style. You're just a collector of disparate bits. This is why it becomes ideological and personal with clothing forum posters, they never get past the superficial aspects of clothes to really feast on the fun parts.

Having said that, there is also a denial by most forum denizens that fashion and clothing exist outside of our individual (and sometimes collective) realities; but it does. No one moves fashion, and yet, it moves.

 

#121 2018-06-14 00:46:27

Babbling Brooks
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Re: That little New England world

A self-declared clothing enthusiast really is only answerable to themselves in that the only have themselves to please, and any naysayers can be batted back with any length of ramble about subjectivity/personal taste etc , which can lead to the clothing equivalent of a deluded flat-earther...to really see something for what it is is hard work especially when you have so much of yourself invested in it, the neutrality is what allows you to grab on to the beginnings of good judgement..

Thats not to say there is only one approach, there isn't, there is all manner of ideas of expression, mood and all the other things we look to communicate with clothes.. and just because we dont like a certain style doesn't mean it cant be done well or poorly.

Humans are quite well attuned visually because it helped us survive in a world of threat and disease, we like to see things that communicate survival..symmetry, balance, health...its hardwired in, and it all comes down to harmony.. and nature's signals of colour and form... these things are not fixed however because the objective nature of what succeeds is for ever adapting, so our thoughts become transient..people try to look stick thin and drive themselves to the edge of poor health because in a perverted sense society has picked that to be a successful state..

No one has a fixed answer, and if they say they do, then really they haven't because the nature of things being in flux demands constant reconsideration... there are things such as frequencies and ratios that can give us a grip on fixing the relationships between things...and that is a good place to look for anyone looking to gain insight

Last edited by Babbling Brooks (2018-06-14 00:49:13)


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#122 2018-06-14 15:57:54

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#123 2018-06-15 15:08:01

woofboxer
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Re: That little New England world

I was eating my hotel breakfast yesterday and the Disney Channel was playing away silently in the background. I noticed that if you want to portray men as old, fuddy duddy and a bit slow on the uptake then have them wear a button down collar and some traditional item like a shawl neck cardigan.


'I'm not that keen on the Average Look .......ever'. 
John Simons

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#124 2018-06-15 16:19:17

Berkeley_Breathes
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Re: That little New England world

Relevant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftl_ckcpZgY


"The only comment a gentleman’s outfit should generate is that he is properly dressed for the occasion" - Calvin Trillin

 

#125 2018-06-18 17:03:25

Chévere
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Re: That little New England world


Cógelo suave, pero cógelo.

 

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