Does anyone remember Richmond Hill, who used to post here infrequently?  I think he was one of the old Ivy Shop shoppers and told the tale of the run-over raincoat...  His postings - unlike my own - were concise and to the point...  Now, there was once some convoluted discussion about this and that and RH - puzzled - stepped in and said something like:  Surely a button-down collar and loafers define the look.  The trouble is, perhaps, the button-down has become a lazy style, indulged in by just about every shirtmaker in creation; and the loafer has had to be rescued and redesigned.  If you think Bass are bad, you should have seen the horrors I had at thirteen.  As for the button-down collar, why take the trouble?  If the collar doesn't roll, why bother?