Nobody in Harrow back in the day was wearing tartan jackets like Rowland has :-

http://rockpopfashion.com/blog/?p=80

That Mark Powell style is just vile isn't it? That gangster thing - how ugly. And he is ugly - always strutting round Soho giving it the professional Cockney nonsense. His customers just epitomise that whole bags of cash and no idea about style thing. The problem with Kevin Rowland is that he clearly GETS Ivy. He feels it. He understands the magic of the look when it transcends its roots. But he is a 'pop star' with all the associated ego issues. Ditto Weller. Weller got it right for 2 years - 83/84. Rowland got it right in 1984/5. Beyond that - useless. Most of us have been doing this stuff for decades. The real Ivy heroes are the little known individuals quietly doing their thing - Strachan, Lally etc etc. I hate pop stars.

GG

^ Because it's a warbrobe that WORKS.

The interesting thing for me regarding Ivy in London is that it was/is about young ( and some older ) men quietly doing their thing as in without seeking media attention. Just individuals or in some cases small bands of ( otherwise probably very different ) people sharing an interest in looking sharp. No silly ideologies or definitions attached to it because it's not some sort of cult. Those who are truly interested will always notice and find a way in somehow, though....

I was being a bit sly, wasn't I?  Without saying it I wanted to say that those who were laying down the law are not currently posting. They're always very welcome to come back though...

I'd quite like a thread where we all laid down the law. With luck we'd pool our resources nicely by doing that. The key thing would be that we'd all acknowledge that our laws applied only to ourselves & that we couldn't enforce them on others as being correct. No more phony 'Curriculums', please - But everyone is allowed to have their own personal one based on whatever level of knowledge & taste they might have. We just don't get to dictate what the whole style is all about.

Might be interesting?

Didn't think the majority of the kids made too much fuss over names like "peanuts" or "skinhead" (as skinhead was coined by the media wasn't it). Like Kingstonian say, you can't box it up like that. Every region had it's own thing going on, it's own clothing details, It can't be pinpointed. And with region I don't mean London or another city, or even the london districts. It could've been much smaller then that even. One gang would wear Army Great coats, while the other think it didn't match their sartorial taste.

There where kids in around 1966 probably (not too sure) who didn't want anything to do with the mod yobs and their parka, scooter and purple hearts combi, but where all about the cloths and maybe a little bit like the humble beginnings of the "modernist" thing again. Rather then early beginnings of the " skinhead"  thing, I think these are the ones you are looking for. When I read about those, they where coined "Stylists", but as I said they probably couldn't give a damn about silly names.

I can't remember where I've read or heard it, so you need to do some diggings to find about it. Hopefully anyone here remembers it.

And as I was born in '88 and in the netherlands I didn't experience the thing myself so I have to do it with the things I read and heard.

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