How do Corvato, Shattuck, Nicolosi, Logsdail, etc. stack up?
The main criterion I have in mind is flexibility as I have never heard anythinh that wasn't highly complimentary about the quality of construction.
My personal experiences are with Raphael, Frank, and Logsdail. Raphael, in my opinion, is the best. Raphael posseses an encyclopedic level of technical skill combined with a voluminous knowledge of cloth and an exquisite sense of style that is truly remarkable. Client Reinaldo Herrera, husband of couture designer Carolina Herrera, sent Raphael a heartfelt letter after creating tails for him for his daughter's wedding, describing Raphael's clothes as art. Vogue and W magazines photographed Mr. Herrera resplendent in his tails.
Frank is a friend and has the potential to be another Raphael one day, from whom he has learned much about the finer points of tailoring. But, Frank is much younger than Raphael and tailoring, in my opinion, is one profession or trade that offers improvement with age. Raphael jokes that, now in his 70s, he is first hitting his stride.
I was disappointed with my experiences with Logsdail, from the fact that it took several months to complete the suit (With the standard amount of fittings and no major demands) to the fact that the suit was farmed out to be made (I paid the full price for a so-called "bench made" suit, however it was somebody else's bench) to the fact that the suit arrived folded into small box, rendering it wrinkled beyond belief and necessitating a trip to the cleaners for pressing (Reflecting, in my opinion, a lack of pride in the product) to, ultimately, a completely unimpressive suit that bore a striking resemblance to a Brooks Brothers sack suit. Plus there was very sloppy, uneven stitching along the lapels. Shoulders are pedestrian at best. I wear the suit only in inclement weather, as I have too much respect for Raphael's work to wear in the rain.
I know a little about Nicolosi from others' experiences, but I probably shouldn't talk about second-hand stories.
What I like in particular about Raphael is his complete respect for his clients, irrespective of whether they buy 1 suit or 100 suits. Everyone receives the same level of attention and every suit the same amount of meticulous workmanship. He is an old-world gentleman and a paragon of integrity. Sadly, though, Raph is the last of the Mohicans.
Marc
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As a quick postscript, I'm not sure I know precisely what you mean by "flexible", however Raph is the most flexible I know of in terms of so-called house styles and silhouettes. He can design a suit with lines from the 1940s to a British cut suit (Do you prefer Huntsman or A&S?) to one with more of an Italian design (He can make the much-ballyhooed spalla camicia Neapolitan shoulder in his sleep) to a classic Brooks Brothers sack-type suit. Raph made me a sport coat with a 3-button front rolling to 2 buttons that outdoes J Press.
Marc
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Didn't Beau Brummel or someone in the English royal family recommend wearing a suit and shoes in the rain for the purpose of making the clothing/shoes mould to your body/feet even better?
Ronny.
The rain hasn't yet had a positive effect on my Logsdail suit--It still looks and fits like a POS.
Marc
Thank you, Marc.
Would it be fair to categorize Shattuck, Nicolosi and Schwartz (or whatever Raphael's last name actually is) as tailors in the Italian mold.
Logsdail is obviously British - British military, as opposed to drapey, I believe.
And Corvato - Brooks/ American.
You're welcome. Raphael's preferred style is kind of an amalgam of 1940s American style combined with subtle English and Italian cues. Lapels and shoulders are slightly wider, however he likes to nip in the waist, if there is a waist to be nipped in. Raphael also likes ticket pockets and hacking pockets. The fit is form-fitting, owing to his Sicilian roots and those of his tailoring staff. A more structured coat than, say, A&S, however not to the extent of Huntsman. Armholes not excessively high, resulting in a comfortable fit. Comfort is paramount with Raphael: When you wear one of hs suits, the first thing you recognize is that you don't even feel like you're wearing a suit. It'salmost as if the suit is just sort of hovering outside your body, yet it fits like a glove. When Mimmo Siviglia and his daughter saw pics of my Raphael suits, their comment was that they appeared to be painted on.
Frank's cut is decidedly more English, at least the suit he made for me is, with much more structure in the chest and shoulders, which are roped.
From what I've seen of Mr. Nicolosi's work from at least two clients in Tom Wolfe and New York Gov. Pataki, there is not a specific design signature, though others with personal experience can offer comments. Truth be told, despite all of the fanfare over TW's white suits, I've yet to be impressed with the overall fit of his suits, which kind of look sloppy and Gov.Pataki doesn't stand out to me as a style-setter, but take that for what it's worth. Just my $.02
By the way, the suit Logsdail made for me was definitely not military in any way, unless from some sort of slovenly, undistinguished, out-of-shape military with paunchy soldiers.
Marc
Are there any other tailors worth looking into who are based in New York?
I mean aside from Corvato, Frank, Raphael, Nicolosi and Logsdail?
I'm thinking of tailors rather than stylists - e.g. Flusser, Jon Green, Domenica Vacca, etc.
Cheo is good if you're looking for an A&S cut? I can attest towards Raphael's ability - I commissioned my first suit with him a few weeks back and it is coming along superbly - he is, it seems, far more exacting than his clients,
Thank you, Panzer. I will be interested to hear how it turns out. Yes, I should have added Cheo and Fioravanti to the list also.
Is Raphael still taking new customers - with all the hollabaloo about his shop? Also - does anyone know the starting prices for these guys?
Frank Ercole, located in Brooklyn, makes a very nice, very serviceable garment at a sensible price. He owns the building in which his shop is situated (lowering overhead considerably), which is reflected in his prices, around $1500 or so for a 2 pc suit made from quality English cloth. Everything made in-house, at least when I was there a few years ago. Has a large Wall St. clientele. I wouldn't classify Mr. Ercole's product as full bespoke in that he can't put the level of handwork and details into his product at those relatively modest prices, however, practically speaking, nobody is going to really notice. The big picture is the fit, which is flattering and Mr. Ercole won't let you leave with the garment unless you and he are happy. I own a couple suits from Mr. Ercole and like them very much. Others echo my sentiments here...
http://newyork.citysearch.com/profile/7377421/
Wm. Fioravanti, on 57th St., has seen better days and is farming out suits. I'm not a fan of the cut of his suits anyway, which are cut the same for any person no matter their body type. Every time I see him on the street, he looks really uncomfortable in those suits with the high armholes. Anyway, he's a salesman not a tailor, albeit a very successful salesman (His father was a great tailor). He tools around Manhattan in a $300K Maybach, so if you pony up some big bucks for a lot of suits, his driver might even give you a ride home. But, if you're not Steve Wynn ordering hundreds of garments, you might not even make it past the doorway.
Herzfeld has an in-house "bespoke" tailor who, turns out, is not a trained tailor but a designer who sends his stuff to a local factory. He made a suit for me that would have been perfect...had I been two sizes smaller. His father was a respected tailor who used to run the New York outpost of Bernard Weatherill, the venerable London equestrian outfitter now owned by Kilgours, and the son has been trading off of that affiliation, but, regrettably, the apple did fall far from the tree in this instance.
Tony Maurizio, also in the twilight of his career and farming garments out to factories. Proudly boasts of his steep prices, cynically telling me once that every time he increases his prices ($5,500 for a 2 pc suit several years ago), he gets more new customers. As with Fioravanti, if you're not a corporate titan or a billionaire, you're a small fish in a very large pond.
If I think of any others, I'll let you know.
Also Salvatore Ragusa is back in business. I know nothing of his cut.
Raphael is taking new customers, and he plans on moving across the street whenever the developer buys him out for a reasonable price. Suits start at $3,800 I believe,
Panzer
Is Vincenzo Sanitate still in business/ any good?
Sanitate, whose shop I pass regularly, farms out to a factory (Last time I checked, Ciccarelli's factory did the work) grossly over-priced suits and a confusing pricing system that has one price for "bespoke" and a higher price for "bench-made" (something like $5,000). Bespoke and bench-made, for all practical purposes, are synonymous. Also, much of his merchandise on display is kind of "Bridge and Tunnel": Ready-made clothes in loud colors and shirts with wacky stripes just on the collars.
I would reccomend Giovanni Gagliano. Beware, for those not inclined to visit the boroughs he works out of a tuxedo shop in Brooklyn ( John Anthony )His work is the equal or better than those often mentioned . He has been described by some as quirky. maybe because I have known him so long I don't see that.
Thank you, beantown. I was grasping for Giovanni's name. One of the great tailors, although rather quirky. Don't be put off by his tuxedo rental business (I told you he is quirky) as he really runs a bespoke tiailoring business on the premises. Giovanni was the tailor behind the legendary Roland Meledandri's business, who made for producer Robert Evans among others. R. Meledandri was one of the great boutiques, I believe situated on Madison Avenue. Meledandri's daughter, by the way, runs an art gallery in lower Manhattan these days. Very sharp style with a signature extreme nipped waist. If Giovanni likes you, you're in, if you rub him the wrong way, he'll tell you what you can do with his cutting shears. When I visited Giovanni, he invited me to have an espresso at a nearby Italian cafe, which was a much more appealing offer than the one involving the shears.
Marc
A quick postscript that if you would like to see examples of Giovanni's work, check out Roy Scheider's wardrobe in the film Marathon Man (He played Dustin Hoffman's well-tailored brother), which was actually credited to R. Meledandri. Very nice work. To clarify my description of GG as quirky, I didn't mean that as a knock as much as meaning he's a character in a charming sort of way.
Marc
Interesting - Marc, can you please provide an indication of Giovanni's prices?
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There's a gentleman named Khamal (sp?), residing in the New York borough of Queens, who I've heard is an up-and-coming bespoke tailor, working from home and catering mostly to the elite art community. I spoke with him briefly several months ago, however never met him, and misplaced his telephone number. If anyone knows this person, perhaps you can offer further details.
Marc
Perhaps a gang of "monkeys" will walk off with his wash and wear A&S suits...
http://property.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,14052-1884213,00.html